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Standard overhead joins wrong...?


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ChrisB
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Having received the runway in use and circuit direction when close to an airfield I do some hurried mental gymnastics to work out how to approach for a standard overhead join. I recently discovered the SD “Make Approach” function and was very pleased to see there is a “Standard Overhead” join option.

The first time I used it in the air was arriving at Enstone. I selected Make Approach, Runway 26, Standard Overhead. A nice big purple arrow appeared “for guidance on where to join” (to quote the SD video tutorial). I started heading towards the arrow, but after even more hurried mental gymnastics realised I would be joining from the opposite direction to that required and made corrections.

I have since used the same function arriving at other airfields and they are all wrong. According to SD a standard overhead join is approached from the dead side, with descent on the live side to join the circuit. According to the CAA a correct standard overhead join is approached from the live side, with descent on the dead side to join the circuit on the crosswind leg.

This is more than just misleading it is plain wrong. At worst, a pilot following SD’s guidance would conflict with a pilot doing a ‘correct’ overhead join. At best he would be joining high on the downwind leg and making a total hash of the circuit.

I’ve attached below a screenshot from SD and a CAA diagram of a standard overhead join to illustrate my point. Comments welcome – is there something I’m missing here?

Chris




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DaveWhite
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I'm not saying you join overhead crosswind - I'm saying just what you have described. We are agreeing.

You join into the overhead (say 1,000 ft above circuit height) and turn (if necessary) until you are facing deadside, at which time you will make a turning descent (in the direction of the circuit) to circuit height on deadside, joining the circuit itself via a crosswind leg over the upwind numbers.

That's a standard overhead join. The CAA diagram shows the simplest possible join above circuit height where there is no necessity to turn until you're facing deadside because you are already doing so because of the direction you entered the join.

The source of my statement about the purple arrow is by inspection - it's what SkyDemon does.  

You can demonstrate it for yourself by planning a flight to an airfield more than once, each time arriving from different compass directions.  You'll see that the purple arrow is oriented relative to the circuit exactly the same whether you arrive from N, S, E or W.





Edited 9/6/2022 9:38:56 AM by DaveWhite
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