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vikino
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+xHi all
If anybody is connecting the BT receiver to the TruTrak 385 autopilot, I would be interested to hear. It's currently getting GPS feed from an old and useless AvMap Geo Pilot II+ that I would like to replace It seems that it may need engineer from avionics specialist but I would like to do it myself (flying non certified) because from what I see on Skydemon manual, it seems pretty simple. Pins connecting to Ground on both side, Rx Pin on autopilot connecting to Tx on BT receiver. On Irxon BT578, pin 5 is Gd and 3 is Tx, and it can't be rewired. So it probably means to create a RS232 cable if rewired is needed on autopilot RS232. It may be better anyway to avoid plugging the BT receiver directly to the avionics (thinking that it may be a pain if anything has to be done on the receiver if not easily accessible). Any recommandation on the type of wire/cable to be used if needed (shield?)
thanks You can swap rx/tx with M/F switch on irxon, but off course is better to solder simple wiring...
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Michael Hoffmann
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+xCan anyone confirm if the available protocols work with a Becker AR6201, and they have it working. No, it will not work by default.
First, some words about TTL and V24. The mentioned working transceivers (Garmin GTR 225, f.u.n.k.e. ATR833-II, Trig TY 91/96) have a RS-232 interface with V24 voltage level. This means serial transmission with logical low at -12V and high at +12 V (nearly...). The cheap BT-Modules (which work like a charm with the iPad) have TTL voltage level. (low at 0 V , high at + 5V). To connect it to your RS-232 transceiver you need a voltage level converter.
Something like this:
Now to Becker. The AR6201 has an RS-422 interface. RS-422 is electrically different to RS-232 (4 lines, current driven). But it isn't the main problem, there are many converter from TTL to RS-422 available.
The challenge is the implementation of a translator from NMEA (ASCII) PGRMC sentences to the in-house Becker protocol. I found an Open Source solution used in the LK8000:
There should be any information needed for such a piece of software... I can't wait to try it out when I can have an AR6201 outside of the plane.
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Pascal
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+x+xCan anyone confirm if the available protocols work with a Becker AR6201, and they have it working. No, it will not work by default.
First, some words about TTL and V24. The mentioned working transceivers (Garmin GTR 225, f.u.n.k.e. ATR833-II, Trig TY 91/96) have a RS-232 interface with V24 voltage level. This means serial transmission with logical low at -12V and high at +12 V (nearly...). The cheap BT-Modules (which work like a charm with the iPad) have TTL voltage level. (low at 0 V , high at + 5V). To connect it to your RS-232 transceiver you need a voltage level converter.
Something like this:
Now to Becker. The AR6201 has an RS-422 interface. RS-422 is electrically different to RS-232 (4 lines, current driven). But it isn't the main problem, there are many converter from TTL to RS-422 available.
The challenge is the implementation of a translator from NMEA (ASCII) PGRMC sentences to the in-house Becker protocol. I found an Open Source solution used in the LK8000:
There should be any information needed for such a piece of software... I can't wait to try it out when I can have an AR6201 outside of the plane.
Hello , i have spent some time trying the Irxon bluetooth dongle with an rs 485/422 converter wired up to my Becker Ar6201 (rx2+ to pin 2 tx 2+, tx2+ to pin 3 rx2+,rx2- to pin 9 tx2-, tx2- to pin 10 rx2-, pin 23 ground) .The dongle is recognized by skydemon, the chosen frequency is described as being sent but none of the radio settings in the Skydemon list (garmin,funke..)produces any result. The tandem box in the internal menu of the becker is checked on so it should recognize a remote. If have seen youtube videos of the radio accepting frequency changes from a
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Michael Hoffmann
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+x+x+xCan anyone confirm if the available protocols work with a Becker AR6201, and they have it working. No, it will not work by default.
First, some words about TTL and V24. The mentioned working transceivers (Garmin GTR 225, f.u.n.k.e. ATR833-II, Trig TY 91/96) have a RS-232 interface with V24 voltage level. This means serial transmission with logical low at -12V and high at +12 V (nearly...). The cheap BT-Modules (which work like a charm with the iPad) have TTL voltage level. (low at 0 V , high at + 5V). To connect it to your RS-232 transceiver you need a voltage level converter.
Something like this:
Now to Becker. The AR6201 has an RS-422 interface. RS-422 is electrically different to RS-232 (4 lines, current driven). But it isn't the main problem, there are many converter from TTL to RS-422 available.
The challenge is the implementation of a translator from NMEA (ASCII) PGRMC sentences to the in-house Becker protocol. I found an Open Source solution used in the LK8000:
There should be any information needed for such a piece of software... I can't wait to try it out when I can have an AR6201 outside of the plane.
Hello , i have spent some time trying the Irxon bluetooth dongle with an rs 485/422 converter wired up to my Becker Ar6201 (rx2+ to pin 2 tx 2+, tx2+ to pin 3 rx2+,rx2- to pin 9 tx2-, tx2- to pin 10 rx2-, pin 23 ground) .The dongle is recognized by skydemon, the chosen frequency is described as being sent but none of the radio settings in the Skydemon list (garmin,funke..)produces any result. The tandem box in the internal menu of the becker is checked on so it should recognize a remote. If have seen youtube videos of the radio accepting frequency changes from a As I mentioned before, Becker has its own protocol, nothing like NMEA (ASCII) PGRMC sets. You need to translate the output/input into Becker language. A separate controller with translation software is required. Even if you can communicate with the AR6201 via a converter (RS-232 <-> RS-422), the device does not understand the commands. I'm working on it.
Please confirm that you are interested in a solution. The more interested parties, the better.
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Pascal
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+x+x+x+xCan anyone confirm if the available protocols work with a Becker AR6201, and they have it working. No, it will not work by default.
First, some words about TTL and V24. The mentioned working transceivers (Garmin GTR 225, f.u.n.k.e. ATR833-II, Trig TY 91/96) have a RS-232 interface with V24 voltage level. This means serial transmission with logical low at -12V and high at +12 V (nearly...). The cheap BT-Modules (which work like a charm with the iPad) have TTL voltage level. (low at 0 V , high at + 5V). To connect it to your RS-232 transceiver you need a voltage level converter.
Something like this:
Now to Becker. The AR6201 has an RS-422 interface. RS-422 is electrically different to RS-232 (4 lines, current driven). But it isn't the main problem, there are many converter from TTL to RS-422 available.
The challenge is the implementation of a translator from NMEA (ASCII) PGRMC sentences to the in-house Becker protocol. I found an Open Source solution used in the LK8000:
There should be any information needed for such a piece of software... I can't wait to try it out when I can have an AR6201 outside of the plane.
Hello , i have spent some time trying the Irxon bluetooth dongle with an rs 485/422 converter wired up to my Becker Ar6201 (rx2+ to pin 2 tx 2+, tx2+ to pin 3 rx2+,rx2- to pin 9 tx2-, tx2- to pin 10 rx2-, pin 23 ground) .The dongle is recognized by skydemon, the chosen frequency is described as being sent but none of the radio settings in the Skydemon list (garmin,funke..)produces any result. The tandem box in the internal menu of the becker is checked on so it should recognize a remote. If have seen youtube videos of the radio accepting frequency changes from a As I mentioned before, Becker has its own protocol, nothing like NMEA (ASCII) PGRMC sets. You need to translate the output/input into Becker language. A separate controller with translation software is required. Even if you can communicate with the AR6201 via a converter (RS-232 <-> RS-422), the device does not understand the commands. I'm working on it.
Please confirm that you are interested in a solution. The more interested parties, the better.
Becker does offer its own rs232 to rs 422 converter (available for 180£ from Mendelsson…) I don’t know if this includes a “translator” inside. There are a least 2 pilots in my club who would be interested in a solution but we are both useless at programing😇
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Pascal
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+x+x+x+xCan anyone confirm if the available protocols work with a Becker AR6201, and they have it working. No, it will not work by default.
First, some words about TTL and V24. The mentioned working transceivers (Garmin GTR 225, f.u.n.k.e. ATR833-II, Trig TY 91/96) have a RS-232 interface with V24 voltage level. This means serial transmission with logical low at -12V and high at +12 V (nearly...). The cheap BT-Modules (which work like a charm with the iPad) have TTL voltage level. (low at 0 V , high at + 5V). To connect it to your RS-232 transceiver you need a voltage level converter.
Something like this:
Now to Becker. The AR6201 has an RS-422 interface. RS-422 is electrically different to RS-232 (4 lines, current driven). But it isn't the main problem, there are many converter from TTL to RS-422 available.
The challenge is the implementation of a translator from NMEA (ASCII) PGRMC sentences to the in-house Becker protocol. I found an Open Source solution used in the LK8000:
There should be any information needed for such a piece of software... I can't wait to try it out when I can have an AR6201 outside of the plane.
Hello , i have spent some time trying the Irxon bluetooth dongle with an rs 485/422 converter wired up to my Becker Ar6201 (rx2+ to pin 2 tx 2+, tx2+ to pin 3 rx2+,rx2- to pin 9 tx2-, tx2- to pin 10 rx2-, pin 23 ground) .The dongle is recognized by skydemon, the chosen frequency is described as being sent but none of the radio settings in the Skydemon list (garmin,funke..)produces any result. The tandem box in the internal menu of the becker is checked on so it should recognize a remote. If have seen youtube videos of the radio accepting frequency changes from a As I mentioned before, Becker has its own protocol, nothing like NMEA (ASCII) PGRMC sets. You need to translate the output/input into Becker language. A separate controller with translation software is required. Even if you can communicate with the AR6201 via a converter (RS-232 <-> RS-422), the device does not understand the commands. I'm working on it.
Please confirm that you are interested in a solution. The more interested parties, the better.
What shape or form would a Becker “Translator” take? Lines of code from Skydemon or a third-party device inserted in the chain between bluetooth dongle,converter and radio? Just curious.The question might sound stupid but I am more at home with engines and wiring
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Michael Hoffmann
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+x+x+x+x+xCan anyone confirm if the available protocols work with a Becker AR6201, and they have it working. No, it will not work by default.
First, some words about TTL and V24. The mentioned working transceivers (Garmin GTR 225, f.u.n.k.e. ATR833-II, Trig TY 91/96) have a RS-232 interface with V24 voltage level. This means serial transmission with logical low at -12V and high at +12 V (nearly...). The cheap BT-Modules (which work like a charm with the iPad) have TTL voltage level. (low at 0 V , high at + 5V). To connect it to your RS-232 transceiver you need a voltage level converter.
Something like this:
Now to Becker. The AR6201 has an RS-422 interface. RS-422 is electrically different to RS-232 (4 lines, current driven). But it isn't the main problem, there are many converter from TTL to RS-422 available.
The challenge is the implementation of a translator from NMEA (ASCII) PGRMC sentences to the in-house Becker protocol. I found an Open Source solution used in the LK8000:
There should be any information needed for such a piece of software... I can't wait to try it out when I can have an AR6201 outside of the plane.
Hello , i have spent some time trying the Irxon bluetooth dongle with an rs 485/422 converter wired up to my Becker Ar6201 (rx2+ to pin 2 tx 2+, tx2+ to pin 3 rx2+,rx2- to pin 9 tx2-, tx2- to pin 10 rx2-, pin 23 ground) .The dongle is recognized by skydemon, the chosen frequency is described as being sent but none of the radio settings in the Skydemon list (garmin,funke..)produces any result. The tandem box in the internal menu of the becker is checked on so it should recognize a remote. If have seen youtube videos of the radio accepting frequency changes from a As I mentioned before, Becker has its own protocol, nothing like NMEA (ASCII) PGRMC sets. You need to translate the output/input into Becker language. A separate controller with translation software is required. Even if you can communicate with the AR6201 via a converter (RS-232 <-> RS-422), the device does not understand the commands. I'm working on it.
Please confirm that you are interested in a solution. The more interested parties, the better.
Becker does offer its own rs232 to rs 422 converter (available for 180£ from Mendelsson…) I don’t know if this includes a “translator” inside. There are a least 2 pilots in my club who would be interested in a solution but we are both useless at programing😇 I would guess it's only the hardware converter (on ebay a few bugs). The newly emerged problem with the PGRMC sentences is also new for Becker.
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Michael Hoffmann
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+x+x+x+x+xCan anyone confirm if the available protocols work with a Becker AR6201, and they have it working. No, it will not work by default.
First, some words about TTL and V24. The mentioned working transceivers (Garmin GTR 225, f.u.n.k.e. ATR833-II, Trig TY 91/96) have a RS-232 interface with V24 voltage level. This means serial transmission with logical low at -12V and high at +12 V (nearly...). The cheap BT-Modules (which work like a charm with the iPad) have TTL voltage level. (low at 0 V , high at + 5V). To connect it to your RS-232 transceiver you need a voltage level converter.
Something like this:
Now to Becker. The AR6201 has an RS-422 interface. RS-422 is electrically different to RS-232 (4 lines, current driven). But it isn't the main problem, there are many converter from TTL to RS-422 available.
The challenge is the implementation of a translator from NMEA (ASCII) PGRMC sentences to the in-house Becker protocol. I found an Open Source solution used in the LK8000:
There should be any information needed for such a piece of software... I can't wait to try it out when I can have an AR6201 outside of the plane.
Hello , i have spent some time trying the Irxon bluetooth dongle with an rs 485/422 converter wired up to my Becker Ar6201 (rx2+ to pin 2 tx 2+, tx2+ to pin 3 rx2+,rx2- to pin 9 tx2-, tx2- to pin 10 rx2-, pin 23 ground) .The dongle is recognized by skydemon, the chosen frequency is described as being sent but none of the radio settings in the Skydemon list (garmin,funke..)produces any result. The tandem box in the internal menu of the becker is checked on so it should recognize a remote. If have seen youtube videos of the radio accepting frequency changes from a As I mentioned before, Becker has its own protocol, nothing like NMEA (ASCII) PGRMC sets. You need to translate the output/input into Becker language. A separate controller with translation software is required. Even if you can communicate with the AR6201 via a converter (RS-232 <-> RS-422), the device does not understand the commands. I'm working on it.
Please confirm that you are interested in a solution. The more interested parties, the better.
What shape or form would a Becker “Translator” take? Lines of code from Skydemon or a third-party device inserted in the chain between bluetooth dongle,converter and radio? Just curious.The question might sound stupid but I am more at home with engines and wiring Well, it depends ;-)) If Skydemon could add this type of device in his software it would be the smartest solution. Tim, are you listening?
If not, there is a piece of hardware needed. At one end the BT-Dongle, in between a small microcontroller with the translator and at the other end a RS-422 interface. This unit could be shrinked down to the size of a matchbox.
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Tim Dawson
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Yes, we are willing to add support for Becker radios if someone can help us with the protocol and testing of the feature. Just get in touch with me via customer support (Michael) and we can talk about it.
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