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Michael Hoffmann - 10/14/2024 8:59:32 PM

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norland - 9/3/2024 11:37:27 AM

Can anyone confirm if the available protocols work with a Becker AR6201, and they have it working.

No, it will not work by default.

First, some words about TTL and V24.

The mentioned working transceivers (Garmin GTR 225, f.u.n.k.e. ATR833-II, Trig TY 91/96) have a RS-232 interface with V24 voltage level.

This means serial transmission with logical low at -12V and high at +12 V (nearly...).

The cheap BT-Modules (which work like a charm with the iPad) have TTL voltage level. (low at 0 V , high at + 5V).

To connect it to your RS-232 transceiver you need a voltage level converter.

Something like this:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/403590179075

Now to Becker.

The AR6201 has an RS-422 interface. RS-422 is electrically different to RS-232 (4 lines, current driven).

But it isn't the main problem, there are many converter from TTL to RS-422 available.

https://www.ebay.de/itm/266249894496

The challenge is the implementation of a translator from NMEA (ASCII) PGRMC sentences to the in-house Becker protocol.

I found an Open Source solution used in the LK8000:

https://github.com/LK8000/LK8000/blob/master/Common/Source/Devices/devAR620x.cpp

There should be any information needed for such a piece of software...

I can't wait to try it out when I can have an AR6201 outside of the plane.

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Pascal - 10/16/2024 4:54:09 PM

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Michael Hoffmann - 10/14/2024 8:59:32 PM

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norland - 9/3/2024 11:37:27 AM

Can anyone confirm if the available protocols work with a Becker AR6201, and they have it working.

No, it will not work by default.

First, some words about TTL and V24.

The mentioned working transceivers (Garmin GTR 225, f.u.n.k.e. ATR833-II, Trig TY 91/96) have a RS-232 interface with V24 voltage level.

This means serial transmission with logical low at -12V and high at +12 V (nearly...).

The cheap BT-Modules (which work like a charm with the iPad) have TTL voltage level. (low at 0 V , high at + 5V).

To connect it to your RS-232 transceiver you need a voltage level converter.

Something like this:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/403590179075

Now to Becker.

The AR6201 has an RS-422 interface. RS-422 is electrically different to RS-232 (4 lines, current driven).

But it isn't the main problem, there are many converter from TTL to RS-422 available.

https://www.ebay.de/itm/266249894496

The challenge is the implementation of a translator from NMEA (ASCII) PGRMC sentences to the in-house Becker protocol.

I found an Open Source solution used in the LK8000:

https://github.com/LK8000/LK8000/blob/master/Common/Source/Devices/devAR620x.cpp

There should be any information needed for such a piece of software...

I can't wait to try it out when I can have an AR6201 outside of the plane.

Hello , i have spent some time trying the Irxon bluetooth dongle with an rs 485/422 converter wired up to my Becker Ar6201 (rx2+ to pin 2 tx 2+, tx2+ to pin 3 rx2+,rx2- to pin 9 tx2-, tx2- to pin 10 rx2-,  pin 23 ground) .The dongle is recognized by skydemon, the chosen frequency is described as being sent but none of the radio settings in the Skydemon list (garmin,funke..)produces any result. The tandem box in the internal menu of the becker is checked on so it should recognize a remote. If have seen youtube videos of the radio accepting frequency changes from a

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Michael Hoffmann - 10/16/2024 7:52:23 PM

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Pascal - 10/16/2024 4:54:09 PM

+x

 

Michael Hoffmann - 10/14/2024 8:59:32 PM

+x

 

norland - 9/3/2024 11:37:27 AM

Can anyone confirm if the available protocols work with a Becker AR6201, and they have it working.

No, it will not work by default.

First, some words about TTL and V24.

The mentioned working transceivers (Garmin GTR 225, f.u.n.k.e. ATR833-II, Trig TY 91/96) have a RS-232 interface with V24 voltage level.

This means serial transmission with logical low at -12V and high at +12 V (nearly...).

The cheap BT-Modules (which work like a charm with the iPad) have TTL voltage level. (low at 0 V , high at + 5V).

To connect it to your RS-232 transceiver you need a voltage level converter.

Something like this:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/403590179075

Now to Becker.

The AR6201 has an RS-422 interface. RS-422 is electrically different to RS-232 (4 lines, current driven).

But it isn't the main problem, there are many converter from TTL to RS-422 available.

https://www.ebay.de/itm/266249894496

The challenge is the implementation of a translator from NMEA (ASCII) PGRMC sentences to the in-house Becker protocol.

I found an Open Source solution used in the LK8000:

https://github.com/LK8000/LK8000/blob/master/Common/Source/Devices/devAR620x.cpp

There should be any information needed for such a piece of software...

I can't wait to try it out when I can have an AR6201 outside of the plane.

Hello , i have spent some time trying the Irxon bluetooth dongle with an rs 485/422 converter wired up to my Becker Ar6201 (rx2+ to pin 2 tx 2+, tx2+ to pin 3 rx2+,rx2- to pin 9 tx2-, tx2- to pin 10 rx2-,  pin 23 ground) .The dongle is recognized by skydemon, the chosen frequency is described as being sent but none of the radio settings in the Skydemon list (garmin,funke..)produces any result. The tandem box in the internal menu of the becker is checked on so it should recognize a remote. If have seen youtube videos of the radio accepting frequency changes from a

As I mentioned before, Becker has its own protocol, nothing like NMEA (ASCII) PGRMC sets. You need to translate the output/input into Becker language. A separate controller with translation software is required.
Even if you can communicate with the AR6201 via a converter (RS-232 <-> RS-422), the device does not understand the commands.

I'm working on it.

Please confirm that you are interested in a solution. The more interested parties, the better.

 

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Michael Hoffmann - 10/16/2024 7:52:23 PM

+x

 

Pascal - 10/16/2024 4:54:09 PM

+x

 

Michael Hoffmann - 10/14/2024 8:59:32 PM

+x

 

norland - 9/3/2024 11:37:27 AM

Can anyone confirm if the available protocols work with a Becker AR6201, and they have it working.

No, it will not work by default.

First, some words about TTL and V24.

The mentioned working transceivers (Garmin GTR 225, f.u.n.k.e. ATR833-II, Trig TY 91/96) have a RS-232 interface with V24 voltage level.

This means serial transmission with logical low at -12V and high at +12 V (nearly...).

The cheap BT-Modules (which work like a charm with the iPad) have TTL voltage level. (low at 0 V , high at + 5V).

To connect it to your RS-232 transceiver you need a voltage level converter.

Something like this:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/403590179075

Now to Becker.

The AR6201 has an RS-422 interface. RS-422 is electrically different to RS-232 (4 lines, current driven).

But it isn't the main problem, there are many converter from TTL to RS-422 available.

https://www.ebay.de/itm/266249894496

The challenge is the implementation of a translator from NMEA (ASCII) PGRMC sentences to the in-house Becker protocol.

I found an Open Source solution used in the LK8000:

https://github.com/LK8000/LK8000/blob/master/Common/Source/Devices/devAR620x.cpp

There should be any information needed for such a piece of software...

I can't wait to try it out when I can have an AR6201 outside of the plane.

Hello , i have spent some time trying the Irxon bluetooth dongle with an rs 485/422 converter wired up to my Becker Ar6201 (rx2+ to pin 2 tx 2+, tx2+ to pin 3 rx2+,rx2- to pin 9 tx2-, tx2- to pin 10 rx2-,  pin 23 ground) .The dongle is recognized by skydemon, the chosen frequency is described as being sent but none of the radio settings in the Skydemon list (garmin,funke..)produces any result. The tandem box in the internal menu of the becker is checked on so it should recognize a remote. If have seen youtube videos of the radio accepting frequency changes from a

As I mentioned before, Becker has its own protocol, nothing like NMEA (ASCII) PGRMC sets. You need to translate the output/input into Becker language. A separate controller with translation software is required.
Even if you can communicate with the AR6201 via a converter (RS-232 <-> RS-422), the device does not understand the commands.

I'm working on it.

Please confirm that you are interested in a solution. The more interested parties, the better.

 

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Pascal - 10/17/2024 3:10:02 PM

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Michael Hoffmann - 10/16/2024 7:52:23 PM

+x

 

Pascal - 10/16/2024 4:54:09 PM

+x

 

Michael Hoffmann - 10/14/2024 8:59:32 PM

+x

 

norland - 9/3/2024 11:37:27 AM

Can anyone confirm if the available protocols work with a Becker AR6201, and they have it working.

No, it will not work by default.

First, some words about TTL and V24.

The mentioned working transceivers (Garmin GTR 225, f.u.n.k.e. ATR833-II, Trig TY 91/96) have a RS-232 interface with V24 voltage level.

This means serial transmission with logical low at -12V and high at +12 V (nearly...).

The cheap BT-Modules (which work like a charm with the iPad) have TTL voltage level. (low at 0 V , high at + 5V).

To connect it to your RS-232 transceiver you need a voltage level converter.

Something like this:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/403590179075

Now to Becker.

The AR6201 has an RS-422 interface. RS-422 is electrically different to RS-232 (4 lines, current driven).

But it isn't the main problem, there are many converter from TTL to RS-422 available.

https://www.ebay.de/itm/266249894496

The challenge is the implementation of a translator from NMEA (ASCII) PGRMC sentences to the in-house Becker protocol.

I found an Open Source solution used in the LK8000:

https://github.com/LK8000/LK8000/blob/master/Common/Source/Devices/devAR620x.cpp

There should be any information needed for such a piece of software...

I can't wait to try it out when I can have an AR6201 outside of the plane.

Hello , i have spent some time trying the Irxon bluetooth dongle with an rs 485/422 converter wired up to my Becker Ar6201 (rx2+ to pin 2 tx 2+, tx2+ to pin 3 rx2+,rx2- to pin 9 tx2-, tx2- to pin 10 rx2-,  pin 23 ground) .The dongle is recognized by skydemon, the chosen frequency is described as being sent but none of the radio settings in the Skydemon list (garmin,funke..)produces any result. The tandem box in the internal menu of the becker is checked on so it should recognize a remote. If have seen youtube videos of the radio accepting frequency changes from a

As I mentioned before, Becker has its own protocol, nothing like NMEA (ASCII) PGRMC sets. You need to translate the output/input into Becker language. A separate controller with translation software is required.
Even if you can communicate with the AR6201 via a converter (RS-232 <-> RS-422), the device does not understand the commands.

I'm working on it.

Please confirm that you are interested in a solution. The more interested parties, the better.

 

What shape or form would a Becker “Translator” take? Lines of code from Skydemon or a third-party device inserted in the chain between bluetooth dongle,converter and radio? Just curious.The question might sound stupid but I am more at home with engines and wiring