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"real" VFR-AIP for Germany?


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Hi forum,

I have a question/subject concerning the "VFR" and "non-VFR"-AIPs in SkyDemon.

e.g. for Czech Republic there is one AIP "Czech Republic" and one named "Czech Republic (VFR)"‌‌‌‌. This difference is also given in the german AIP. It seems, that SkyDemon comes with the IFR-AIP and I can´t find a dedicated "German VFR-AIP" But in "real life" is a VFR-AIP. The difference between VFR and IFR-AIP is the publishing date and an 14 days-offset when changes will be effective. The date of published data has an offset of 14 days between VFR and IFR.

For SD I have purchased the German AIP-Plates‌‌ and I´v found some aerodrome-information concerning smaller airfields which is only found in the German VFR-AIP. So far so good, but the rest of the german AIP (General, Enroute...) seems to be the IFR-Part.

My question is: doesn´t DFS offer the VFR-Part ‌‌to SD or is the German VFR-part simply not offered in SD?

Thanks for your time and answer,
Renzo‌‌‌

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Of course, no pilot is obliged to own the AIP or even have it in the cockpit available! That's nonsense! ;-)

But it is absolutely necessary to know the rules! And the rules are officially published in the AIP VFR.
Dirk seems to have discovered a discrepancy between the printed, official AIP VFR and the data provided by SD.
This makes doubting if the SD provided information is comprehensive. That's all.

Dirk, I guess you own the printed version.
Could you please provide just one single tangible example of important information that you can find in the printed AIP VFR but you are missing in SD.

I for myself assume, SD is comprehensive.
The SD provided AIP is called "AIP GERMANY", but the printed version seems to be called "AIP IFR".



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Gerhard66 - 8/2/2017 7:15:28 PM
Of course, no pilot is obliged to own the AIP or even have it in the cockpit available! That's nonsense! ;-)But it is absolutely necessary to know the rules! And the rules are officially published in the AIP VFR. Dirk seems to have discovered a discrepancy between the printed, official AIP VFR and the data provided by SD.This makes doubting if the SD provided information is comprehensive. That's all. Dirk, I guess you own the printed version. Could you please provide just one single tangible example of important information that you can find in the printed AIP VFR but you are missing in SD. I for myself assume, SD is comprehensive. The SD provided AIP is called "AIP GERMANY", but the printed version seems to be called "AIP IFR".


I my opinion Dirk wants the same thing I mentioned a few month before in this thread which was started by myself. I (and maybe Dirk as well?? :-) would like to have all the VFR-information which is provided by the printed VFR-AIP (Jeppesen, DFS) completely within SD to get rid of any printed VFR-version.

The "free-AIP-section" (Germany) that is included in SD seems to provide IFR-informations and contains all the section like "Enroute", "General"....  I discovered a "publishing-offset" of 14 days between the printed VFR AIP (DFS) and the freely provided IFR-AIP. The offset is generated by the publishers (DFS?), not by SD.

Independently of when or where we need the information contained by the printed DFS-VFR-AIP: it would be fine to have the complete printed VFR-version (including General, Enroute...) within SD. Did I meet the point, Dirk and Gerhard?

Kind regards,
R‌enzo

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Yes, Gerhard you are right - I also own the printed version. And Renzo yes, we mean exactly the same thing.
On Wednesday I received the newest update of the printed version (every 28 days like in SD) - there are some updates of the AD section (which will I get also via SD - actualy not by now) and updates of the other sections.
I attached a link to a picture with info was updated in the 28 day update.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6w8LIcRjvRMQzNVdmFHbm02eFk

Best regards
Dirk



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There is a difference between "Date published" and "date effective"!

Did you also compare the "date effective" between paper and SD?
I'm sure, they are identical.
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