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Matthias14
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+xThey said they'd include them with the regular delivery of plate updates. To my knowledge, they haven't yet sent us any. This is disappointing. Will you take care and ask DFS again?
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Tim Dawson
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They said they'd include them with the regular delivery of plate updates. To my knowledge, they haven't yet sent us any.
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Matthias14
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+xAt Aero, DFS confirmed to me that they will begin sending us all SUP for distribution to our customers who have the VFR AIP. Hi all,
did it come true, is the SUP section of the German AIP VFR send on a regular basis to SD customers? Where within SD would I find the SUP? Regards Matthias
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Tim Dawson
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At Aero, DFS confirmed to me that they will begin sending us all SUP for distribution to our customers who have the VFR AIP.
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Hannes
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+xThe product DFS makes available through companies like SkyDemon is the charts and aerodrome information only. I don't know why they don't include the GEN parts etc. This week is a great time for people to ask them that question, as they'll all be at Aero Friedrichshafen. Hi Tim, AERO is an very good example that the GER AIP-VFR needs additional Data in SD. All the discussion before were about the ENR, GEN or validity dates but in your words ... it would be nice but is tha realy nessesary. What we, as the "total regulated german nation" ;-) VFR pilots, realy need, are critical VFR relevant informations on special events like Aero , which is only rudimentary available in NOTAM and not at all in the AIP(IFR). We need the VFR Circulars and VFR Supplements. e.g. AREO, there is an IFR SUP 2018/08 (1page) which does only include that there may be havy VFR traffic. Only the VFR SUP 2018/11 (7pages) includes all the nessesary VFR relevant regulations and Information. here are 2 links to the IFR and VFR SUPs https://aero-ppr.bodensee-airport.eu/documentation/SUP_VFR_2018_11.pdf https://aero-ppr.bodensee-airport.eu/documentation/SUP_IFR_2018_08.pdfMaybe we see us at AERO kind regards Hannes
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Tim Dawson
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The product DFS makes available through companies like SkyDemon is the charts and aerodrome information only. I don't know why they don't include the GEN parts etc. This week is a great time for people to ask them that question, as they'll all be at Aero Friedrichshafen.
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Daniel_KDF
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After close inspection, it seems to me that the free German AIP ist IFR only and the purchased product called "DFS German VFR AIP" is still missing the GEN parts - beeing therefore not what the name implies.
Am I doing something wrong here?
If not and there are actually some missing parts: any chance these will be available soon?
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Gerhard66
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There is a difference between "Date published" and "date effective"!
Did you also compare the "date effective" between paper and SD?
I'm sure, they are identical.
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dirk64
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Yes, Gerhard you are right - I also own the printed version. And Renzo yes, we mean exactly the same thing. On Wednesday I received the newest update of the printed version (every 28 days like in SD) - there are some updates of the AD section (which will I get also via SD - actualy not by now) and updates of the other sections. I attached a link to a picture with info was updated in the 28 day update. https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6w8LIcRjvRMQzNVdmFHbm02eFkBest regards Dirk
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Renzo
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+xOf course, no pilot is obliged to own the AIP or even have it in the cockpit available! That's nonsense! ;-)But it is absolutely necessary to know the rules! And the rules are officially published in the AIP VFR. Dirk seems to have discovered a discrepancy between the printed, official AIP VFR and the data provided by SD.This makes doubting if the SD provided information is comprehensive. That's all. Dirk, I guess you own the printed version. Could you please provide just one single tangible example of important information that you can find in the printed AIP VFR but you are missing in SD. I for myself assume, SD is comprehensive. The SD provided AIP is called "AIP GERMANY", but the printed version seems to be called "AIP IFR". I my opinion Dirk wants the same thing I mentioned a few month before in this thread which was started by myself. I (and maybe Dirk as well?? :-) would like to have all the VFR-information which is provided by the printed VFR-AIP (Jeppesen, DFS) completely within SD to get rid of any printed VFR-version. The "free-AIP-section" (Germany) that is included in SD seems to provide IFR-informations and contains all the section like "Enroute", "General".... I discovered a "publishing-offset" of 14 days between the printed VFR AIP (DFS) and the freely provided IFR-AIP. The offset is generated by the publishers (DFS?), not by SD. Independently of when or where we need the information contained by the printed DFS-VFR-AIP: it would be fine to have the complete printed VFR-version (including General, Enroute...) within SD. Did I meet the point, Dirk and Gerhard? Kind regards, Renzo
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