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8.33-kHz-spacing in Germany


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Hi!
Since most of the radio frequencies in Germany have already been changed by the 1st of January to comply with the 8.33-kHz-channel spacing requirements we have to use them right now.
Some of the new frequencies can be found here: http://www.aeroclub-nrw.de/wpaero/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/1-1192-17_sig.pdf
Others are published by NOTAM only...
I downloaded the newest data today for SD but it seemes none of them were included in AIRAC 1801.
When can we expect to have them changed?
Thx in advance,
Björn
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I guess once the wicked slow get it into their AIP, which may take quite a while ... until than, read NOTAMs, study homepages and call the fields in advance = back to the good ole days of talking.
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Airfield frequency data in Germany is sourced directly from DFS, so as soon as the AIP data is changed you'll also see the SkyDemon data changed.
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Ok, thank you for your response.
Best, Björn
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The issue now arises at a couple of countries - the AIP unchanged but new 833 channels in use, some airfields don't even monitor old frequencies any longer (quite some got new channels assigned not identical to the old frequencies).

‌So, anybody flying right now - be aware and check all information channels more then once.

‌As Skydemon hooks to the AIP publications, it is most probably NOT SUFFICIENT as a sole source (yes, it should not anyways, but I am talking reality) for flight preparation during the transition period.

‌Also be prepared of a now higher number of aircraft without any radio communication.
Edited 1/20/2018 7:47:48 AM by SemperFi
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The AIP and NOTAMs are the only legally binding source of information about radio frequencies - if the AIP is not being updated and/or NOTAMs are not being issued when airfields change their frequency, surely this is the fault of the AIP maintainers, not SkyDemon? The best thing is for as many individual pilots as possible to register the errors with the relevant authorities so that they start doing their job properly. 
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T67M - 1/20/2018 11:46:55 AM
The AIP and NOTAMs are the only legally binding source of information about radio frequencies - if the AIP is not being updated and/or NOTAMs are not being issued when airfields change their frequency, surely this is the fault of the AIP maintainers, not SkyDemon? The best thing is for as many individual pilots as possible to register the errors with the relevant authorities so that they start doing their job properly. 

In principle correct, but - if something happens they will always get your balls squeezed with "not thorough enough flight preparation" and from what I heard most authorities in incident or accident investigation on similar circumstances give a shit for such "legal issue discussion" and for a not so bad reason. If something can prevent an accident it doesn't matter what "the law" was - and that is a good methodology (one of the last resorts where we are not fully enslaved ...).

Edited 1/20/2018 1:14:54 PM by SemperFi
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That sounds like the kind of Germanic scaremongering that is unfortunately very prevalent in GA. It often seems to start with "from what I heard..."

The permanent source for frequency information is the AIP. If something has changed and the AIP hasn't yet been updated to reflect this, hopefully the change will be in a NOTAM, or perhaps in a SUP. SkyDemon gives pilots access to all of these. ‌‌

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„the kind of Germanic scaremongering“
Ich weiß ja, dass er Engländer ist und durch die dortige Tagespresse noch Deftigeres gewohnt ist, aber als deutscher Kunde bin ich gerade ein wenig irritiert.
Naja, wahrscheinlich bin ich nur etwas zu empfindlich *schüttel*
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SemperFi - 1/6/2018 9:22:42 AM
[...] and call the fields in advance = back to the good ole days of talking.

I think this is the most important advice right now.

‌At "my" airfield, we received our new frequency allocation in November 2017. However, we are allowed to use the old frequency till April 26th. 
We decided to switch frequency on March 1st 2018, however this is published nowhere outside our local club information channels.

F‌urthermore, ‌‌while we forwarded the new frequencies to the ICAO map editorial office just in time, a lot of airfields were too late. So expect the 2018 ICAO maps frequency information to be useless.
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