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Autopilot + COM freq. over BT to RS232


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ALSL-Flyer - 12/18/2024 9:14:28 PM
..here you can see my approach. Thanks to Michael hints the Becker connector issue is now solved. This device is now ready for the test with the Becker Radio. The pre check was done with the female connector where I connected the Tx with the Rx pins. With this approach it was possible the HW-path until the Rx pin of the BT Module.One issue took some hours to solve. The BT-Modul need 3.3V signals and the RS322-TTL module delivers 5V signals. The BT Module stopped working... only after adapting to 3.3V by 2 resistors it worked. I will report about the results tomorrow...

After activating the Tandem option in the Becker menue, it worked directly an absolutly perfekt with the Beta version of SD. Many thanks to SkyDemon..especially to TIM. Great Job!

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Dear fellow SD users,

I am new here and need some advice.

I use a KRT2 radio and bought a IRXSON BT580 adapter.
I want to send radio frequencies from SD on my iPad to the KRT2 via the adapter.

Question: Do I need to hard wire (solder) the pins on the RS 232 adapter to the pins on the db9 plug on the KRT2 (of course, the connections as mentioned in the SD user manual)? And what about the power supply for the BT580?

Thank you so much!
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Michael Hoffmann - 11/16/2024 6:03:54 PM
Thanks to Tim there is now an Android beta with support of the Becker AR6201 protocol.

Here is my solution to connect a BLE device to the Becker AR6201 radio:




Bill of material:

DSD TECH HM-10 Bluetooth 4.0 BLE iBeacon UART Modul mit 4 PIN Base Board für Arduino UNO R3 Mega 2560 Nano

RS422 MAX490 Mutual Transfer Full-duplex TTL Bi-directional Signal Module DC 5V

AMS1117 DC-DC Step Down Voltage Converter 6V - 12V to 5V

Minifuse 125 mA

My BLE to AR620x housing
Please contact me for STL-files, if needed.

The schematic of the circuit is attached.

Please note this is only for 12 V bus voltage,
and ONLY for experimental use!!!

Cheers!

An addendum to the Becker AR620X BLE circuit:

Do not use RS-422 port 2, this is already used internally to connect the control unit. This still works, but is unreliable. Collisions occur when sending frequency settings. 9 out of 10 commands work, but the rest will drive you nuts. 
So use RS-422 PORT 1 (pins 7,8,14,15 instead of pins 2,3, 9,10).

A new schematic is attached.

Life is a barrel of fun.
Sometimes a barrel of Sauerkraut.

Cheers.

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Dortro - 12/19/2024 9:11:11 PM
Dear fellow SD users,I am new here and need some advice.I use a KRT2 radio and bought a IRXSON BT580 adapter.I want to send radio frequencies from SD on my iPad to the KRT2 via the adapter.Question: Do I need to hard wire (solder) the pins on the RS 232 adapter to the pins on the db9 plug on the KRT2 (of course, the connections as mentioned in the SD user manual)? And what about the power supply for the BT580?Thank you so much!

Dear Dortro,
I can't say much about the KTR2 or the BT580. But yes, the signal lines have to be connected and a power supply wouldn't be bad either. How did you connect the BT580 now? Simply placing them next to each other doesn't work. You definitely mean IRXON, right?

Life is a barrel of fun.
Michael

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Hi Michael,

Thank you for your somewhat clinical answer, I appreciate it.
I have not used the IRXON BT580 yet, it is on my desk not in my plane (Phoenix MLA)….
I had hoped someone has experience with the combi BT580 - KRT2
I will connect the right pins, of course, and not just put them on top of each other.
The question about power supply for the BT580, I still have, however…
Best regards

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Has anyone yet managed to wire the Irxon into a Trig TY91?


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vikino - 8/28/2023 7:08:25 PM
vikino - 8/8/2023 8:27:57 PM
Or maybe more user and installation friendly is IRXON BT578 v3 or BT580, they work with Apple and Android well...

Btw, IRXON is plug and play, it is set to 9600baud so every radio, at least Garmin, Trig, KRT2, Funke, all those are 9600 by default and accept NMEA0183 messages, as well as autopilot controllers, also mostly by default 9600bps, so IRXON could be the way to make it as compactible device... Im ready to test Smile

Hi Vikino,
I have a BT580  and iPad air. SD keeps searching for a Bluetooth device..
I hope you can help! 
Can we talk off line or email?
Thanks,
Robert


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Dortro - 12/20/2024 7:28:18 AM
Hi Michael,Thank you for your somewhat clinical answer, I appreciate it.I have not used the IRXON BT580 yet, it is on my desk not in my plane (Phoenix MLA)….I had hoped someone has experience with the combi BT580 - KRT2I will connect the right pins, of course, and not just put them on top of each other.The question about power supply for the BT580, I still have, however…Best regards

Hello Dorto,
in addition to my somewhat clinical answer, here are some suggestions on how to solve the problem.
There are installation instructions for the KRT-2 freely available in various languages. You can find the pin assignment there. Fortunately, these guys have a connection for a remote control prepared. You can use it for your purpose.
Look at the Remote Connetor (Pin 13 and 2 are Data and Pin 15/8 are Avonics Power and Pins 1/9 are GND).

Now you need a partner connection on the BT580. The manuel depicts this:
Signal routing is KTR2/13 to BT580/3, KTR2/2 to BTR580/2.
Power routing is KTR2/1 or 9 to BT580/5 for GND.

You shoud use for the signal wires AWG 22 and for the power wires AWG 18. But this is not so important, current is low.

And now it depends! What is your avionics power voltage? The BT need VCC (power) in a range 3 ... 6 V DC.
If you have a 5V DC source in your plane, you can use this. Any other case you have to install a voltage regulator (DC-DC drop down) from you avionics bus voltage to the needed 5 V on Pin BT580/9.

Hope this will give you some hints.

Regards
Michael

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Michael Hoffmann - 12/20/2024 9:43:24 PM
Dortro - 12/20/2024 7:28:18 AM
Hi Michael,Thank you for your somewhat clinical answer, I appreciate it.I have not used the IRXON BT580 yet, it is on my desk not in my plane (Phoenix MLA)….I had hoped someone has experience with the combi BT580 - KRT2I will connect the right pins, of course, and not just put them on top of each other.The question about power supply for the BT580, I still have, however…Best regards

Hello Dorto,
in addition to my somewhat clinical answer, here are some suggestions on how to solve the problem.
There are installation instructions for the KRT-2 freely available in various languages. You can find the pin assignment there. Fortunately, these guys have a connection for a remote control prepared. You can use it for your purpose.
Look at the Remote Connetor (Pin 13 and 2 are Data and Pin 15/8 are Avonics Power and Pins 1/9 are GND).

Now you need a partner connection on the BT580. The manuel depicts this:
Signal routing is KTR2/13 to BT580/3, KTR2/2 to BTR580/2.
Power routing is KTR2/1 or 9 to BT580/5 for GND.

You shoud use for the signal wires AWG 22 and for the power wires AWG 18. But this is not so important, current is low.

And now it depends! What is your avionics power voltage? The BT need VCC (power) in a range 3 ... 6 V DC.
If you have a 5V DC source in your plane, you can use this. Any other case you have to install a voltage regulator (DC-DC drop down) from you avionics bus voltage to the needed 5 V on Pin BT580/9.

Hope this will give you some hints.

Regards
Michael

I'm currently thinking about how this could perhaps be done better with the SD BLE for a KTR-2, without the huge BT580 block and without tinkering with cables.
You need the smallest possible adapter (dongle) between the KTR-2 and the existing SUB-D plug. I think I could do that.
The dongle contains a small BLE module and connects it to the KTR-2. The power supply comes via the existing VCC and GND lines in the connector and is regulated internally. All other cables are laid 1:1 in the connector (shielded).

All you have to do is remove the existing connector from the KRT-2 and insert the new module (dongle) in between.
Would that be something? Please give me feedback.

Just a thought.

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Hi Michael,

Thank you very much for both answers, this is very helpful!
I was thinking to wire my BT580 to the KRT2 plug, following the diagram for connecting the remote.
Your second suggestion sounds very good and, indeed, clean. Would it be expensive?

My problem now is that my BT580 ls not detected by SD! I am mailing with Support about it.
One of those things, it should detect the device almost immediately, but it does not…

Again, thank you!

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