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giannisd
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+xHello Gianni, the remarks section is indeed where we pull FIS boundaries in Italy from. You raised this point once before, and the map you attached to your post turned out to be incorrect. Can I ask where you obtained the map in your latest post from? An AIS company https://www.deskaeronautico.it/mappa/ then I add the freq and I draw the FIS lines just to show you the problem. The coordinates of the ROMA FIS areas available on the ENR 2.1.1.2.2.1 on the REMARKS. On the ENR 2.1.1 you'll find all the coordinates details of various FIC/FIS of all 3 FIR. Sometime are not very accurate but not big mistakes !  We have informed the AIP depertment about......
For istance the line dividing the 2 Roma FIS araeas SW 134.125 (Remarks 9) and S 129,575 is as per my map and not a vertical green dotted line as per your map.
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Tim Dawson
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Since the DeskAeronautico maps are not official, and have been shown to have errors in the past, we will not use them as a source for data. However, there has been a significant update to AIP Italy ready for the next AIRAC, and I will ask my colleague to recheck all the FIC boundaries in case they have changed.
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Tim Dawson
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I've checked the Roma FIC boundaries for the forthcoming amendment and have made changes, as you suggested, so that the dividing line has moved in line with the map you posted. The other FIC areas are not well-defined (coordinates are not given) but we have done our best to align them with the Roma FIC areas.
Thank you for highlighting this to us.
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giannisd
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+x[quote]I've checked the Roma FIC boundaries for the forthcoming amendment and have made changes, as you suggested, so that the dividing line has moved in line with the map you posted. The other FIC areas are not well-defined (coordinates are not given) but we have done our best to align them with the Roma FIC areas.
Thank you for highlighting this to us. Hi Tim, Happy New Year, I see that the FIS boundaries are updated according to the AIP Note. Excellent, but would it be possible to depict the Line indicated by the Notam ?Q)IXX/QCAXX/IV/BO/E/000/195/4236N01220E121 and indicate the frequency 119.075 MHz in addition to the 125.750 MHz in the "What's Here?" When I touch the screen? Greetings, Gianni
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Tim Dawson
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We don't normally make changes to our permanent chart data that disagree with the AIP. Presumably this NOTAMed change will become part of the permanent AIP soon? At which point our chart data will be changed to reflect the change in FIS provision.
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giannisd
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+xWe don't normally make changes to our permanent chart data that disagree with the AIP. Presumably this NOTAMed change will become part of the permanent AIP soon? At which point our chart data will be changed to reflect the change in FIS provision. The Notam probably will not be changed soon, the validity is till 03/march/2024 and as per last year I believe it will be renewed again and again....at every expiry date. But is it complicated for SD to write the 2 freq on the "What's Here" related to that FIS area? Gianni
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Potentially not, but the existing larger area (to the north) would still cover the smaller area to the south. If you think that would not be a problem, I could look at doing this.
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giannisd
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+xPotentially not, but the existing larger area (to the north) would still cover the smaller area to the south. If you think that would not be a problem, I could look at doing this. The simplest way is to draw a line on the map to divide the two areas, the large and small, perhaps with a different colour: orange instead of green, and by touching "What's Here" you will find the correct frequency. Another solution is to write the 2 frequencies in "What's Here" for the total area plus a "SEE NOTAM" note in the Roma Information Service tab, but in this way, you need to write the Notam. Then when the Notam expires we will see what they decide.
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I don't have the tools to do those things. I can depict the NOTAM for the smaller, southern area, on the map which means you'll see a green dotted line. But in What's Here you'll see only the AIP information on the northern side and both the AIP and NOTAM information on the southern side. If you think it would be helpful for me to do that, I can do it.
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giannisd
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+xI don't have the tools to do those things. I can depict the NOTAM for the smaller, southern area, on the map which means you'll see a green dotted line. But in What's Here you'll see only the AIP information on the northern side and both the AIP and NOTAM information on the southern side. If you think it would be helpful for me to do that, I can do it. Anything possible is better than nothing, slowly pilots will learn and use the correct frequency. I agree with you that our AIP staff are not too smart, but they don't have a flight license....
greetings, Gianni
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