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Flightplan route waypoints


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Hello!

When filing a flightplan the route is filled by waypoints represented as coordinates. Would it be possible to change this, so that the names of the waypoints are shown like in the PLOG?

Thanks,
Bernhard.
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Tim, how often have you tried putting an airport ID in the route field of a flight plan? I have done it myself many times (VFR mainly but also IFR). They were all flightplans addresssed to Eurocontrol. None of them has been rejected for this reason yet.
I did that before posting my previous message. The flight plan was rejected.

This was the flight plan:
(FPL-SEMBN-IG
-C172/L-SDFGY/S
-ESKC2000
-N0104A025 DCT ESOW DCT
-ESSB0050 ESSA
-DOF/140201 ORGN/ESSAZPZX
-E/0300 P/1 R/E A/W)

...and this was the reply error message: "ERROR ROUTE130: UNKNOWN DESIGNATOR ESOW"

When I replaced "ESOW" with the id of a proper significant point the flight plan was accepted. (Well, of course I had to choose one which would form an acceptable route, but that is another matter...)

(And yes, ESOW is a proper airport. Scheduled services and all.)






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Very interesting indeed. I tried to access international flightplans of mine from last year off the homebriefing server but they weren't accessible anymore. However, the next one I file I'll post here just to prove that I wasn't dreaming. The only difference I can see is that mine didn't have the DCT acronym inserted in the route section. But I think it's doubtful this would make a difference.

-- Chris.
Edited 2/7/2014 12:33:41 PM by ckurz7000
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You must use DCT or a route designator for each segment of the route (except when you use geographical coordinates), otherwise the flight plan will again be rejected.

If you say that you have successfully submitted IFR flight plans using location indicators in the route section and without using DCT, then I suspect that your homebriefing provider corrected the flight plan (manually?) before being sending it on to the IFPS.

I was using the Swedish CAA flight plan submission system which sends IFR flight plans straight to the IFPS. VFR flight plans are sent to a briefing officer for manual checking and they can fix obvious errors such as omitting DCT. (Although one time when I submitted two VFR flight plans in succession with the same obvious error, they corrected the first one silently but called me to complain about the second one.)

Btw: I've never understood why DCT is required. There can be no ambiguity if you omit it and there would be less to write...
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lhe (07/02/2014)I've never understood why DCT is required. There can be no ambiguity if you omit it and there would be less to write...

An IFR route would normally be a list of significant points separated by ATS route designators, the DCT is use to replace the route designator where there is none (as in a VFR flight) this makes parsing easier.
Edited 2/7/2014 2:31:57 PM by srayne
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The added difficulty of parsing a route description without DCT would be negligible. (At least as long as it is impossible for an ATS route and a significant point to have the same designator.)
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srayne - 2/3/2014 8:47:24 AM
                     I read the relevant portion of CAP 694. It says to use only...
ckurz7000 - 2/3/2014 10:21:18 AM
Tim Dawson - 2/4/2014 5:29:29 PM
ckurz7000 - 2/6/2014 3:23:16 PM
lhe - 2/6/2014 7:39:04 PM
ckurz7000 - 2/7/2014 12:32:05 PM
                         You must use DCT or a route designator for each segment of the route...
lhe - 2/7/2014 1:53:03 PM
                             [quote][b]lhe (07/02/2014)[/b] I've never understood why DCT is...
srayne - 2/7/2014 2:30:33 PM
                                 The added difficulty of parsing a route description without DCT would...
lhe - 2/7/2014 4:25:11 PM
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Tim Dawson - 3/21/2014 10:23:16 AM
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