Important: These forums are for discussions between SkyDemon users. They are not routinely monitored by SkyDemon staff so any urgent issues should be sent directly to our Customer Support.

Flightplan filing city names


Author
Message
grahamb
grahamb
Too Much Forum (12K reputation)Too Much Forum (12K reputation)Too Much Forum (12K reputation)Too Much Forum (12K reputation)Too Much Forum (12K reputation)Too Much Forum (12K reputation)Too Much Forum (12K reputation)Too Much Forum (12K reputation)Too Much Forum (12K reputation)
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 659, Visits: 32K
Daniel Sinn - 11/5/2019 6:46:02 AM
Dear Skydemon Team,

do you have any update on this topic?

The fact that Skydemon is not supporting VFR flight plans with City names still prevents me from using Skydemon for filing my VFR flight plans.

An option where the users could choose if they prefer LAT/LON coordinates OR City Names in their flight plan would already be enough.

Thanks,
Daniel

Why does it prevent you from using SkyDemon, when it allows you to edit the route field?

Edited 11/5/2019 6:58:43 AM by grahamb
Daniel Sinn
Daniel Sinn
Too Much Forum (2.5K reputation)Too Much Forum (2.5K reputation)Too Much Forum (2.5K reputation)Too Much Forum (2.5K reputation)Too Much Forum (2.5K reputation)Too Much Forum (2.5K reputation)Too Much Forum (2.5K reputation)Too Much Forum (2.5K reputation)Too Much Forum (2.5K reputation)
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 44, Visits: 13
Dear Skydemon Team,

do you have any update on this topic?

The fact that Skydemon is not supporting VFR flight plans with City names still prevents me from using Skydemon for filing my VFR flight plans.

An option where the users could choose if they prefer LAT/LON coordinates OR City Names in their flight plan would already be enough.

Thanks,
Daniel

ckurz7000
ckurz7000
Too Much Forum (71K reputation)Too Much Forum (71K reputation)Too Much Forum (71K reputation)Too Much Forum (71K reputation)Too Much Forum (71K reputation)Too Much Forum (71K reputation)Too Much Forum (71K reputation)Too Much Forum (71K reputation)Too Much Forum (71K reputation)
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 538, Visits: 2.2K
jbrenli - 11/29/2017 8:51:26 AM
In Norway, at least I, was learned to file VFR FPL with names of the cities/landmarks used in the navigation plan. 


VFR flight plans don't (usually) go through a verification process such as IFR flight plans do. It is only a rough plausibility check which does not prohibit using landmark/cities names in the route section. The responsible controller gets the flight plan and reads it as it was filed. I don't think they are automatically displayed graphically. Hence, for a human, it makes much more sense to use establised and published (in the AIP) names instead of hard to decipher lat-lon coordinates. That is the reason that many countries want to see them used on VFR flight  plans.

I agree‌ that IF VFR flight plans were treated like their IFR brethren it would make much more sense to use machine interpretable lat-lon coordinates. Since that is not the case (can't speak for all countries) some countries INSIST that landmark/cities be used as identifiers in place of geographical coordinates.

--Chris.‌‌

jbrenli
jbrenli
Too Much Forum (179 reputation)Too Much Forum (179 reputation)Too Much Forum (179 reputation)Too Much Forum (179 reputation)Too Much Forum (179 reputation)Too Much Forum (179 reputation)Too Much Forum (179 reputation)Too Much Forum (179 reputation)Too Much Forum (179 reputation)
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 3, Visits: 1
In Norway, at least I, was learned to file VFR FPL with names of the cities/landmarks used in the navigation plan. 
Tony N
Tony N
Too Much Forum (21K reputation)Too Much Forum (21K reputation)Too Much Forum (21K reputation)Too Much Forum (21K reputation)Too Much Forum (21K reputation)Too Much Forum (21K reputation)Too Much Forum (21K reputation)Too Much Forum (21K reputation)Too Much Forum (21K reputation)
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 393, Visits: 2.6K
Ckurz7000,

‌In the UK, the CAA/NATS provide a standalone program called AFPEX in order to allow pilots to submit flight plans into the "system".
E‌very "critical" AFPEX field, that is completed by the user, is checked for syntax and FPL transmission is blocked until all errors are corrected.

T‌he French and Belgian authorities also have equivalents to AFPEX that also do syntax checking before allowing FPl transmission.
T‌ony

Tim Dawson
Tim Dawson
SkyDemon Team (720K reputation)SkyDemon Team (720K reputation)SkyDemon Team (720K reputation)SkyDemon Team (720K reputation)SkyDemon Team (720K reputation)SkyDemon Team (720K reputation)SkyDemon Team (720K reputation)SkyDemon Team (720K reputation)SkyDemon Team (720K reputation)
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 8.3K, Visits: 10K
Sure they are. Many countries machine-read them to create electronic flight strips, and some countries even respond to them with an accept/reject email. Machine reading can only work to create a graphical route from a flightplan if the route field is syntactically correct.
ckurz7000
ckurz7000
Too Much Forum (71K reputation)Too Much Forum (71K reputation)Too Much Forum (71K reputation)Too Much Forum (71K reputation)Too Much Forum (71K reputation)Too Much Forum (71K reputation)Too Much Forum (71K reputation)Too Much Forum (71K reputation)Too Much Forum (71K reputation)
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 538, Visits: 2.2K
BTW, a VFR FPL is not checked by any filing system, in contrast to IFR FPLs.

-- Chris.
Tim Dawson
Tim Dawson
SkyDemon Team (720K reputation)SkyDemon Team (720K reputation)SkyDemon Team (720K reputation)SkyDemon Team (720K reputation)SkyDemon Team (720K reputation)SkyDemon Team (720K reputation)SkyDemon Team (720K reputation)SkyDemon Team (720K reputation)SkyDemon Team (720K reputation)
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 8.3K, Visits: 10K
The solution is for countries to create five-letter identifiers if they want to ask pilots to report somewhere. It's simple, and most countries do it.
Tony N
Tony N
Too Much Forum (21K reputation)Too Much Forum (21K reputation)Too Much Forum (21K reputation)Too Much Forum (21K reputation)Too Much Forum (21K reputation)Too Much Forum (21K reputation)Too Much Forum (21K reputation)Too Much Forum (21K reputation)Too Much Forum (21K reputation)
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 393, Visits: 2.6K
Hi Daniel,
I‌ am not familiar with country specific (Austrian) FPL formats (if one exists) but was referring to the ICAO standard format for FPLs.
Take a look here:
https://files.eurofpl.eu/originalfpl/pdfs/EuroFPL-ICAO_Flightplan_Form_Basics-latest.pdf
S‌pecifically page 4 and highlighted point ‌(1) - ROUTE.

I‌ can't see how a City Nam‌e can be inserted into the Route section (15) and not be rejected by the FPL checking system.

R‌egards

T‌ony‌ 
‌.



‌‌
Daniel Sinn
Daniel Sinn
Too Much Forum (2.5K reputation)Too Much Forum (2.5K reputation)Too Much Forum (2.5K reputation)Too Much Forum (2.5K reputation)Too Much Forum (2.5K reputation)Too Much Forum (2.5K reputation)Too Much Forum (2.5K reputation)Too Much Forum (2.5K reputation)Too Much Forum (2.5K reputation)
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 44, Visits: 13
tnowak - 11/20/2017 8:46:02 AM
I am fairly sure that "free text" names of waypoints can't be used in FPLs as it isn't ICAO compliant.
Y‌ou can only enter Lat/Lon coordinates,VOR becaons and possibly IFR reporting points.
City names will have to go in the "Remarks" section of the FPL.
T‌ony


Not so in Austria, because of this i've made that topic ;-)
At least i have even a written confirmation from austro control.

Greetings
Daniel‌‌‌
GO

Merge Selected

Merge into selected topic...



Merge into merge target...



Merge into a specific topic ID...




Reading This Topic

Login

Explore
Messages
Mentions
Search