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+xHello all,
since this topic is already pretty old and I didn't find a new one I post here again, sorry for that.
I use Skydemon for years and trust its data completely, made many many flights with it without any problem.
Although I have a valid "official" paper chart with me on all flights (for my personal conscience, "in case of gps failure"), a question from one of my students come up if it is "valid" to only have SkyDemon and no official ICAO chart in Germany (which is also available digitally). Does anyone have any experience how the officials treat Skydemon nowadays, especially in Germany? Don't want to come into a ramp check without a proper answer :-)
So, is there an update on this? Thanks! Best, Sebastian
Under SERA it is perfectly legal across EASA states to carry navigation data, inclusing charts, in electronic form providing backup can be assured. That could be an 'official' paper chart (probably already out of date by the time it is printed), a print of your SkyDemon chart, a second electronic device with SkyDemon or a different navifgation app.
Don't confuse loss of GNSS with loss of the chart. There is no legal requirement to carry a moving map, and a paper chart doesn't have a little yellow aeroplane crawling across it!
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MaverickVG
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Hello all,
since this topic is already pretty old and I didn't find a new one I post here again, sorry for that.
I use Skydemon for years and trust its data completely, made many many flights with it without any problem.
Although I have a valid "official" paper chart with me on all flights (for my personal conscience, "in case of gps failure"), a question from one of my students come up if it is "valid" to only have SkyDemon and no official ICAO chart in Germany (which is also available digitally). Does anyone have any experience how the officials treat Skydemon nowadays, especially in Germany? Don't want to come into a ramp check without a proper answer :-)
So, is there an update on this? Thanks! Best, Sebastian
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Michel RIAZUELO
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Legal or not legal is not my question !
My only need is to complete my flight safety if all my screens go black ... and my engine continues to run !!!
The ability to print charts with SD suits me perfectly and it is also the reason why I bought it.
I can add to these printed charts all the informations of each leg of my route, altitudes, frequencies etc ...
I think this "enhanced" chart is the best I can have on board  Have good flights ... Michel
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stevelup
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SD warns for out of date charts anyway now via a popup, and this happens even if you haven't fully exited the app, so I'd say this suggestion has already been fulfilled, but in an even more reliable manner. If you need to show someone that your charts are up-to-date, you can just go to the charts tab which shows in green 'Latest Chart Installed' for each entry.
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ckurz7000
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The new disclaimer reads great. I think it works well to cover SD's a$$ and at the same time does not denigrate the use of SD as a legal flight planning tool where possible.
Regarding the currency status of installed charts being displayed on the intro screen:
I know that some iOS users see that screen only rarely. But that's their choice. I always close down SD for good (flicking up). They also have the choice to check currency status while the program is running under Setup>Charts. In my opinion it adds to the professionalism and thoroughness of SD. In case there is too little room on the screen to display the currency status of every installed chart, I suggest that If there is at least one chart out of date, you could simply say, "Some installed charts are out of date and need to be updated. Go to Setup>Charts [or add a button that takes the user to the charts menu directly] for more information." If all charts are up to date, simply say, "All installed charts are current".
Greetings, -- Chris.
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Tim Dawson
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Thanks for pointing out that the PC version's disclaimer had not been correctly updated; this will be fixed in the next version. We want the disclaimers on all platform editions to be consistent. The new disclaimer is not likely to be updated again for a while; it has been translated into most of our target languages already.
I like the idea of listing installed charts, but there are two problems with that: firstly, some people have over a dozen charts installed, and secondly, that most people (who use iOS) only see the disclaimer screen very infrequently. Much less often than charts are updated.
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ckurz7000
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The disclaimer of the PC version reads as follows: This software is intended as an aid to flight planning only. It does not replace your chart of any other tools mandated for the safe planning of flights.
All our chart data is compiled from official sources where such sources exist, hoever it is not certified by any governing body for any particular purpose and therefore any guidance given should be checked where possible.
To indicate that you have read and understand this message, press Yes. Otherwise, press No.
I wonder if something like the text below might also work for SD. This software is intended as an aid to flight planning. Its use as a legal replacenent for other charts or tools mandated for the safe planning of flights must be ascertained by the user in accordance with governing laws and regulations.
All our chart data are compiled from official sources where such sources exist, however, it is not certified by any governing body for any particular purpose and therefore any guidance given should be checked where possible.
To indicate that you have read and understand this message, press Yes. Otherwise, press No.
Below this text, in the same startup window, I would list installed charts and the dates they are valid until. Greetings, -- Chris.
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Tim Dawson
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We actually reworded our disclaimer in the latest version. Interesting idea about showing chart validity on startup. The problem with that approach is that on iOS, the startup screen isn't seen by many as once you press I Agree, SkyDemon continues to run for weeks without being reset. Unless the OS terminates it because it hasn't been switched to for a long time.
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RobinHood
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A really good proposal! It would be great to see during startup "charts are current" or "last chart update on ..." (I guess to remember Jeppesen Flitemap to have such a notification, not?)
Best regards, Robin Seidelmann secosu | Consulting & Support
Experts for ERP-Evaluation & ERP-Implementation projects in Europe
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ckurz7000
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I think it would go a ways toward having SD being accepted as legal replacement during a ramp check if you could re-word the disclaimer shown when starting up. I know it is some legal tightrope walk but maybe you could simply state what SD is. Meaning, you could say that SD's charts are an electronic representation of officially released and publicly available data taken from national AIPs. Similarly, with terrain data and base map data sources. You could then go on to say that it is up to the user/pilot to determine validity of use in accordance with local regulations.
It would, probably, also help if you could list the currency status of installed maps. I know you also have that available in the Chart menu, but having it on the front page in clear type that all installed charts are current would definitely help.
Greetings, -- Chris.
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