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SteviemC42
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My views on this. You don’t want an AHRS or similar in SD. Before seeing the light and converting to SD with a PAW we used Garmin Pilot with a Garmin 39 which had an AHRS function. In practice the AHRS was useless and I’d hate to have been reliant on it even in the direst of emergencies. The problem was the lag between the AHRS and the ipad meant that it was unusable to correct a/c attitude with any kind of reliability. I suspect this was due to them communicating wirelessly. In the end we fitted a secondhand AVMAP EFIS we got off eBay.
BTW Garmin vs Skydemon. - Night and Flippin Day !
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Fabrizio Albonico
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+x+x+x+xWhile I perfectly understand your position about SkyDemon being primarily a planning and navigation app, would it be possible for you to reconsider your position on AHRS-based AI based on evidence that an artificial horizon may - in certain cases - be the last resort when an in-flight emergency arises, and make a difference between life and death? Please check out the excellent video, released on the AQP series by Aviation101, which adresses this very question. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOvjGMYQN3YMany thanks for your excellent piece of software! Best regards Fabrizio LSZA My first reaction was, why not use the iOS function of Measure in Split Screen with Skydemon? But upon checking I realized the Level function in Measure is gone - anybody any idea why? As an android operator, I can't comment. But an Artificial Horizon is more than just a Level function: it should also give an indication of Altitude (GPS), speed (GPS), as well as pitch and bank. I see it as a HUGE safety feature, and in case of a complete electrical failure in flight (NVFR or unintentional VFR into IMC comes to mind) might really help you get home/land safely. Most of the data is already available to SkyDemon. Austin Meyer of X-Plane wrote an app that helps you get to the ground safely. Unfortunately only available on iOS, it is also able to display TAS (!) and Pressure Altitude... TAS would obviously be a nice touch, since GPS speed is only useful in calm winds. No smartphone so far is even close to be capable as an AHRS systems. Even the 'new' dedicated MEMS based avionics systems do have their huge problems dealing with correctly applying physics and - that is a function no never ever a typical smartphone use will ever need, so why develop something? Maybe in the 24th century this will change, but so far? Of course not, that's why there are dedicated AHRS/GPS receivers. Other products, like Foreflight and Garmin Pilot (I believe) are already using it and the enhanced safety of a backup instrument is truly an advantage.
-- LSZA based DA40 / SR20 / S22T / PIVI / TWEN
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pilot-byom
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+x+x+xWhile I perfectly understand your position about SkyDemon being primarily a planning and navigation app, would it be possible for you to reconsider your position on AHRS-based AI based on evidence that an artificial horizon may - in certain cases - be the last resort when an in-flight emergency arises, and make a difference between life and death? Please check out the excellent video, released on the AQP series by Aviation101, which adresses this very question. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOvjGMYQN3YMany thanks for your excellent piece of software! Best regards Fabrizio LSZA My first reaction was, why not use the iOS function of Measure in Split Screen with Skydemon? But upon checking I realized the Level function in Measure is gone - anybody any idea why? As an android operator, I can't comment. But an Artificial Horizon is more than just a Level function: it should also give an indication of Altitude (GPS), speed (GPS), as well as pitch and bank. I see it as a HUGE safety feature, and in case of a complete electrical failure in flight (NVFR or unintentional VFR into IMC comes to mind) might really help you get home/land safely. Most of the data is already available to SkyDemon. Austin Meyer of X-Plane wrote an app that helps you get to the ground safely. Unfortunately only available on iOS, it is also able to display TAS (!) and Pressure Altitude... TAS would obviously be a nice touch, since GPS speed is only useful in calm winds. No smartphone so far is even close to be capable as an AHRS systems. Even the 'new' dedicated MEMS based avionics systems do have their huge problems dealing with correctly applying physics and - that is a function no never ever a typical smartphone use will ever need, so why develop something? Maybe in the 24th century this will change, but so far?
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Fabrizio Albonico
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+x+xWhile I perfectly understand your position about SkyDemon being primarily a planning and navigation app, would it be possible for you to reconsider your position on AHRS-based AI based on evidence that an artificial horizon may - in certain cases - be the last resort when an in-flight emergency arises, and make a difference between life and death? Please check out the excellent video, released on the AQP series by Aviation101, which adresses this very question. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOvjGMYQN3YMany thanks for your excellent piece of software! Best regards Fabrizio LSZA My first reaction was, why not use the iOS function of Measure in Split Screen with Skydemon? But upon checking I realized the Level function in Measure is gone - anybody any idea why? As an android operator, I can't comment. But an Artificial Horizon is more than just a Level function: it should also give an indication of Altitude (GPS), speed (GPS), as well as pitch and bank. I see it as a HUGE safety feature, and in case of a complete electrical failure in flight (NVFR or unintentional VFR into IMC comes to mind) might really help you get home/land safely. Most of the data is already available to SkyDemon. Austin Meyer of X-Plane wrote an app that helps you get to the ground safely. Unfortunately only available on iOS, it is also able to display TAS (!) and Pressure Altitude... TAS would obviously be a nice touch, since GPS speed is only useful in calm winds.
-- LSZA based DA40 / SR20 / S22T / PIVI / TWEN
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pilot-byom
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+x+x+xWhile I perfectly understand your position about SkyDemon being primarily a planning and navigation app, would it be possible for you to reconsider your position on AHRS-based AI based on evidence that an artificial horizon may - in certain cases - be the last resort when an in-flight emergency arises, and make a difference between life and death? Please check out the excellent video, released on the AQP series by Aviation101, which adresses this very question. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOvjGMYQN3YMany thanks for your excellent piece of software! Best regards Fabrizio LSZA My first reaction was, why not use the iOS function of Measure in Split Screen with Skydemon? But upon checking I realized the Level function in Measure is gone - anybody any idea why? It’s still there on my iPhone. Press the icon, bottom right. I know, but split screen ain't on my iPhone. WTH did Apple pull it from the iPad, another odditiy like the 'iPad has no calculator' thing?
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grahamb
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+x+xWhile I perfectly understand your position about SkyDemon being primarily a planning and navigation app, would it be possible for you to reconsider your position on AHRS-based AI based on evidence that an artificial horizon may - in certain cases - be the last resort when an in-flight emergency arises, and make a difference between life and death? Please check out the excellent video, released on the AQP series by Aviation101, which adresses this very question. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOvjGMYQN3YMany thanks for your excellent piece of software! Best regards Fabrizio LSZA My first reaction was, why not use the iOS function of Measure in Split Screen with Skydemon? But upon checking I realized the Level function in Measure is gone - anybody any idea why? It’s still there on my iPhone. Press the icon, bottom right.
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pilot-byom
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+xWhile I perfectly understand your position about SkyDemon being primarily a planning and navigation app, would it be possible for you to reconsider your position on AHRS-based AI based on evidence that an artificial horizon may - in certain cases - be the last resort when an in-flight emergency arises, and make a difference between life and death? Please check out the excellent video, released on the AQP series by Aviation101, which adresses this very question. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOvjGMYQN3YMany thanks for your excellent piece of software! Best regards Fabrizio LSZA My first reaction was, why not use the iOS function of Measure in Split Screen with Skydemon? But upon checking I realized the Level function in Measure is gone - anybody any idea why?
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Fabrizio Albonico
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While I perfectly understand your position about SkyDemon being primarily a planning and navigation app, would it be possible for you to reconsider your position on AHRS-based AI based on evidence that an artificial horizon may - in certain cases - be the last resort when an in-flight emergency arises, and make a difference between life and death? Please check out the excellent video, released on the AQP series by Aviation101, which adresses this very question. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOvjGMYQN3YMany thanks for your excellent piece of software! Best regards Fabrizio LSZA
-- LSZA based DA40 / SR20 / S22T / PIVI / TWEN
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Tim Dawson
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No, we do not intend SkyDemon to be used as a flight instrument and have no plans to implement an artificial horizon.
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Hi Tim - I am referring to a comment quite some while ago... I am a big (!!) fan of SkyDemon, I connected it with ADSB via Pilotaware, which works great. However, I could see SkyDemon also operating with AHRS, simulating a glass-type display which would be a great addition to your wonderful app... have your plans of extending/upgrading SkyDemon changed in the meantime ? I also use SkyMap and it provides such a functionality, but I don’t wanna change over to SkyMap...
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