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My two penneth: After reading this thread I tried the SD voice alerts today (2 bluetooth headsets attached to Samsung Galaxy 8+ .. works great). I have PAW. I totally agree that too many voice alerts devalues the functionality , and that's why I stopped using the PAW voice alerts. However, the bearingless targets alerting coming from PAW is very useful, perhaps more so than the ADSB based alerts since still not so many aircraft have adsb-out, and the Mode C/S detection is also rather accurrate. Generally I just want an audio alert when a 'circle' of some colour would appear in SD where the wasn't one before. My vote is for :
AREA TRAFFIC NOTICE AREA TRAFFIC ALERT AREA TRAFFIC DANGER then relative altitude if available "800 feet above"
.. with this audio I don't have to scan the mobile device to see if there's a circle, and I know its bearingless because of 'AREA TRAFFIC' rather than just 'TRAFFIC' being said (or use some other phrase).
I dont think it should generate any area traffic alerts when on the ground (which was super irritating using the PAW audio), and doesn't need to alert anything if the same source (aircraft) reduces its 'severity level'. I'd also consider suppressing warnings when on a 'route' and within a certain radius of the start/destination fields, because on any non-deserted airfield you just get tons of warnings from aircraft on the ground or in the circuit (another problem I experienced with PAW voice alerts).
To summarise : if I'm en-route, tell me whenever the danger increases, otherwise stay quiet.
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TimT
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+xWhat would the warning(s) say? Maybe the same as the PAw voice alerts would say. E.g., "Traffic Alert, 500 feet, above."
The voice alerts are: 1. "TRAFFIC NOTICE" – Advises you of the presence of a Mode C/S contact at themaximum range for your selected detection setting.2. “TRAFFIC ALERT” – Advises that the aircraft is continuing towards you. Youshould now be maximizing your visual scan guided by the relative height andalso planning and possibly implementing avoiding action. E.g. climbing ordescending to increase separation.3. “TRAFFIC DANGER”- The aircraft is now in relative close proximity and allefforts should be concentrated on a visual scan to locate it, together with anyand all appropriate action to maximize separation
1. "TRAFFIC NOTICE" – Advises you of the presence of a Mode C/S contact at the
maximum range for your selected detection setting.
2. “TRAFFIC ALERT” – Advises that the aircraft is continuing towards you. You
should now be maximizing your visual scan guided by the relative height and
also planning and possibly implementing avoiding action. E.g. climbing or
descending to increase separation.
3. “TRAFFIC DANGER”- The aircraft is now in relative close proximity and all
efforts should be concentrated on a visual scan to locate it, together with any
and all appropriate action to maximize separation
The signal from a Mode C/S transponder increases non linearly as it gets close to, anddiminishes non linearly as it retreats from your aircraft. The absolute signal strengthtransmitted is not a constant for all installations, so PilotAware can only work with relativestrengths. A voice alert is generated as the signal strength from an aircraft known by itsindividual ICAO code, changes between strength bands. The signal from a Mode C/S transponder increases non linearly as it gets close to, and
diminishes non linearly as it retreats from your aircraft. The absolute signal strength
transmitted is not a constant for all installations, so PilotAware can only work with relative
strengths. A voice alert is generated as the signal strength from an aircraft known by its
individual ICAO code, changes between strength bands.
Reporting heights and detection sensitivity are user selectable on the Configuration Page ofPilotAware. As the danger passes the annunciations are generally reversed however theymay return should the received signal strength increase again. Alerts are only given as theaircraft transits through to another Zone.
Reporting heights and detection sensitivity are user selectable on the Configuration Page of
PilotAware. As the danger passes the annunciations are generally reversed however they
may return should the received signal strength increase again. Alerts are only given as the
aircraft transits through to another Zone.
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smoothop3
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+xMy problem is if we're saying that every few minutes it devalues the rest of our traffic warnings, which really are intelligent and used seldomly, in order not to annoy the user and make them turn the feature off. The use of the word "caution" might cause alarm when the traffic is over 10 miles away and of no concern whatsoever.
We are fairly local to you, having just moved into new offices in Frome. I'm sure you can pop by sometime for a chat. You can set the sensitivity on Pilotaware as a proxy for distance. I have mine set to about 2 miles range. When I hear a warning, I adjust my height a little if the warning is within 500 feet of me. It is startling how often the other plane is behind you - you have had no chance of seeing him.
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Tim Dawson
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My problem is if we're saying that every few minutes it devalues the rest of our traffic warnings, which really are intelligent and used seldomly, in order not to annoy the user and make them turn the feature off. The use of the word "caution" might cause alarm when the traffic is over 10 miles away and of no concern whatsoever.
We are fairly local to you, having just moved into new offices in Frome. I'm sure you can pop by sometime for a chat.
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smoothop3
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Tim, "Caution, traffic 1000 feet (nearest 100) above/below/level" or something similar.
I am based in Bath and run an OGN-R station with Flarm, PilotAware, ADSB and Mode-S MLAT here. I am about to put one into Wadswick Airstrip and into Henstridge which I believe is near you. I would love to meet personally (to thank you for the wonderful SD!) and to show you where the ground network is and is going. Would that interest you?
Chris
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pilot-byom
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+xWhat would the warning(s) say? Maybe it can say 'for those pilots currently not looking outside, there is something outside detected so Skydemon and their crew apologizes for any inconvenience and advice to get your f***ing eyeballs out the window' ?
I agree to a 'something is somewhere out there' message is somehow useless.
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Tim Dawson
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What would the warning(s) say?
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smoothop3
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I really like Sky Demon. I also really like Pilotaware - as do another 2500 pilots in the UK!
I do not know how many of the other 2500 pilots use the bearing-less target audio warnings but I suspect most of them do. Knowing another plane is within 500 ft in altitude of me is very useful indeed.
On the other hand, the new audio warnings for navigation are also very useful.
For me personally, it is a major disappointment that I have to choose using Pilotaware warnings or SkyDemon.
Tim, it would be really nice if you can add an option in SD please.
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McFly98
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Hello,
i'am using SD for a few years now and recently a Rosetta.
It would be nice to see groundstations (optimally adjustable in the settings). The stations gives you more information (at the moment flarm targets, in future possibly more). That's why (if i have the freedom) i would like to alter my course according to the groundstations. I understand that not everyone wants to see the stations. But this is solvable through the settings. Other vfr apps are already showing the groundstations as little antennas.
Btw.: I prefer a adjustable voice alert for bearingless targets. It would reduce the "on screen eye time". I can imagine that a short sentence like: "Bearingless incoming high/low" would be helpfull.
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Tim Dawson
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Out of curiosity, why do you want to see the base stations?
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