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Frans
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posted 2/27/2019 11:08:09 AM
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I've noticed that some of the TMA frequencies in Switzerland does not match with the correct ATC-unit. For example, around Zurich, SD mentions "Zurich Information", but this is only the FIS-frequency and they can't give clearances by themselves. For TMA crossings "Zurich Terminal" is the correct ATC-unit to contact in TMA-airspace around Zurich for VFR-traffic in class C. For crossings within the non-TMA and non-CTR airspaces (class C and D), "Zurich Delta" is the correct ATC-unit. They give for example clearances to cross corridors and in general class C airspace above FL100/FL130.
In Germany, the non-CTR airspaces in class D and C doesn't have published frequencies for VFR-charts at all, but they are mentioned within the IFR-arrival/departure charts as Radar frequency. For example around Suttgart, this would be "Langen Radar" on 125,050 or 119,200 and around Cologne/Bonn, this would be also "Langen Radar", but now on 135,350. The problem here is the German ATC-company "DFS", which want to force VFR-pilots to contact FIS first prior to cross airspace class C or D.
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posted 2/27/2019 4:32:52 PM
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We generally match what the official AIP states as the primary contact frequency for a piece of airspace. Most airspaces have this information specified. Are you saying that in Switzerland we have got this wrong, or that the AIP itself is suggesting an inappropriate frequency?
In Germany we are aware that a contact frequency is not mentioned for the local class C and D around airfields, and that is because they prefer you to contact the local FIS, which of course is present on screen. Our discussions with DFS on this matter have not resulted in them conceding to list frequencies for those airspaces so what we're currently doing does seem appropriate.
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TMA Frequencies
Frans
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2/27/2019 11:08:09 AM
We generally match what the official AIP states as the primary contact...
Tim Dawson
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2/27/2019 4:32:52 PM
I've checked the frequencies around Zurich between SkyDemon and the...
Frans
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3/4/2019 10:31:02 AM
It would be possible, but we would have to implement a clear policy on...
Tim Dawson
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3/4/2019 10:47:55 AM
That would be great! I hope to be there on friday, but I'm a bit...
Frans
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3/5/2019 11:25:51 AM
Unfortunately, I couldn't make it to the AERO in Friedrichshafen due...
Frans
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5/14/2019 5:07:19 PM
There are now two separate matters under discussion here, which is...
Tim Dawson
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5/16/2019 9:49:16 AM
Are there any updates regarding this topic? Regarding Switzerland:...
Frans
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10/28/2019 4:52:02 PM
Regarding the original topic of this thread, the official line from...
Tim Dawson
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11/4/2019 11:26:41 AM
Yes, I will do so. ;-)
Frans
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11/5/2019 7:32:34 PM
They're not officially documented anywhere, which is a problem because...
Tim Dawson
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11/6/2019 10:56:28 AM
Germany: Yes, they are documented, however, only on the IFR plates of...
Frans
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11/6/2019 1:50:33 PM
Possible yes, but that doesn't make it sustainable. If we did as you...
Tim Dawson
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11/6/2019 4:10:41 PM
Good to know. I was in the expectation that once you have configured...
Frans
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11/6/2019 6:01:02 PM
I'm not completely sure what you're referring to. Looking at page 36...
Tim Dawson
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11/7/2019 11:25:18 AM
Yes, the definition of the airspaces are maintained at the beginning...
Frans
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11/7/2019 1:12:58 PM
Sorry, the split between airspace definitions and area control...
Tim Dawson
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11/11/2019 12:08:58 PM
Thanks for the feedback. I can understand your point of view, however,...
Frans
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11/20/2019 4:22:43 PM
The underlying issue appears to be that the DFS do not want you to use...
Tim Dawson
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11/21/2019 12:23:12 PM
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