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I found discrepancies between wind numeric value and its representation
http://forums.skydemon.aero/uploads/images/5f17108e-846b-4d3d-9818-688a.pnghttp://forums.skydemon.aero/uploads/images/17d51c12-399c-45fd-a856-ccd0.png

The wind vector shows 5 kt less than the numeric value when the speed is divisible by 5 kt.
If it is due to unit conversion and rounded value, e.g. 64 km/h = ~34.56 kt, rounded value = 35 kt, I suggest to round the vector to the closest value instead of rounding down, in the example vector of 35 kt instead of 30 kt.

Moreover, it is possible to show the wind vector for 5 kt with the short line at the second position like the third picture


source: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/Wind_barbs.gif

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We do not think there is anything wrong with the wind representations in SkyDemon. As you correctly guessed, the textual reading of the velocity is subject to rounding and therefore a value of 34.6 will be displayed as 35. When drawing the graphical barbs you'd only get the three 10 knot barbs though. We're quite happy with this state of affairs.
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Tim Dawson (2/24/2016)
We do not think there is anything wrong with the wind representations in SkyDemon. As you correctly guessed, the textual reading of the velocity is subject to rounding and therefore a value of 34.6 will be displayed as 35. When drawing the graphical barbs you'd only get the three 10 knot barbs though. We're quite happy with this state of affairs.
Maybe I'm dense, but why is it better to show 34.6 with three 10 knot barbs than with three 10 knot barbs + one 5 knot barb?

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It is exactly my question. In terms of accuracy, I prefer to see 35 kt with barbs when the wind is 34.6 kt.
Maybe my pictures are not very clear. The white boxes correspond to the graphical barbs of the left of the boxes.
The observed behavior is that, when I see a wind of 35 kt in numeric value (maybe 34.6 kt with more precise value), I only see three 10 kt barbs. In summary, in these case in SkyDemon, numeric value = 35 kt and barbs = 30 kt.


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Is this really such an issue? After all is said and done, what we are talking about here is forecast wind and, as we all know, actual wind can vary from the forecast wind by a margin far greater than 5kts.


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why is it better to show 34.6 with three 10 knot barbs than with three 10 knot barbs + one 5 knot barb?


Because the wind value being shown is less than 35 knots.

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I guess the barbs represent the closest value (in steps of 5 kts) that is equal to or larger than the actual windspeed. So 51 kts would be represented by a pennant (50 kts) and a half-barb (5 kts) even though just a pennant would be closer to the value. This must be to give the pilot a firm number he can rely on and be sure that the wind will not be stronger than it. There probably is a set definition of how to convert wind speed to barbs. Tim, do you know?

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Edited 3/11/2016 8:47:44 AM by ckurz7000
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Tim Dawson (3/10/2016)
why is it better to show 34.6 with three 10 knot barbs than with three 10 knot barbs + one 5 knot barb?


Because the wind value being shown is less than 35 knots.
Is there an operational reason why it would be more relevant for the pilot to have the wind speed rounded down to the next lowest multiple of 5 instead of rounded to the closest multiple of 5?

Usually, you would prefer the "nearest" rounding as it would minimise roundoff errors in calculations. The only real exception is when it is important to always round in a "safe" direction, e.g. when checking operating minima.
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ckurz7000 (3/11/2016)
I guess the barbs represent the closest value (in steps of 5 kts) that is equal to or larger than the actual windspeed. So 51 kts would be represented by a pennant (50 kts) and a half-barb (5 kts) even though just a pennant would be closer to the value. This must be to give the pilot a firm number he can rely on and be sure that the wind will not be stronger than it. There probably is a set definition of how to convert wind speed to barbs. Tim, do you know?
But that is the opposite of how SD does it.


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There isn't an "operational" reason, it's just my understanding of how wind barbs are used.

If we were to make a decision to round wind values to the nearest 5 knots and then draw the barbs, a wind value that's given in the What's Here menu as 33 knots would have a barb of 35 knots, which would be equally "inaccurate". I use quotes on that word because we are talking forecasts here, and these differences are both negligible in magnitude and relatively meaningless considering the forecast values are likely to differ in reality by more than the rounding under discussion.
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