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Aussie Andy
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Don't suppose there's any chance of Australian charts is there? I am heading down how to do some flying again in Feb - would love to be able to use Sky Demon for my flying whilst at home Down Under as well as here in Blighty!
Andy
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Tim Dawson
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Not in Feb, I'm afraid. Possibly later in the year.
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Aussie Andy
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Cheers Tim - no worries, I will just have to fork out AU$100 bucks on a local product as an interim solution.
Thanks for the ongoing support!
Andy
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sonwill
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Hi, I have tested out Sky demon on my GPS, and am about to purchase the full version, as I am very satisfied with the software.
I am currently living in the UK, but moving home to Australia in May, after flying in Spain for 2 months.
Further to the mention of possiblylater in the year for Australian charts, is there any further update? I just want to see how long I would potentially have to live without skydemon in Australia!
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Dale
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Tim Dawson
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We have no actual timescale for this, only an intention, when we have some spare moments, to start the dialog with the Australian authorities. Dialog with them is required, unlike for any other country in the world (that we're aware of).
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sonwill
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Thanks for the update! I am already beginning to realise that CASSA in Australia are a little difficult to deal with.
If I can be of any assistance once I re-locate back, I would be happy to assit the development.
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Dale
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sonwill
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Hi Guys,
Is there any update on when Austrailan Charts might be available?
I am now living back in Australia, and there isn't really anything available that compares to sky demon.
There is a program designed by Aussies for the ipad, but it doesn't come close to what demon can do with planning, weather, NOTAMS, etc.
I see that there are now New Zealand charts available, hopefully you aren't far away from Aus?
Thanks!
Dale
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Tim Dawson
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We made some progress with Airservices Australia but unlike any other country we have encountered they make it rather difficult to license the data necessary for us to prepare an Australian chart. The difficulties are by no means insurmountable, in fact we have a clear path forward, but they are such that it has fallen down the priority list for the time being, I'm afraid.
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sonwill
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Thanks for the Update Tim.
I understand the frustrations, I have been back in Australia for nearly 3 months now, and still am no closer to getting the paperwork approved to fly here! The CAA is a breeze compared to Australia.
Hopefully you can clear the red tape before my subscription expires next year!
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Dale
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sonwill (16/07/2012)
Thanks for the Update Tim.
I understand the frustrations, I have been back in Australia for nearly 3 months now, and still am no closer to getting the paperwork approved to fly here! The CAA is a breeze compared to Australia.
Hopefully you can clear the red tape before my subscription expires next year!
Cheers
DaleI understand that CASA's motto is: "We're not happy until you're not happy" 
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Nifty
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Have been evaluating your software and really like it apart from the fact roads and railways do not show on the Australia chart.
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hso
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Hi there, Any updates on this front? So sad, such an excellent product and I can't use it  I would buy it right away if Australia was available. We seem to have only two other options down here, one is horrendous (as software), and another is good but only for iPad and not as versatile...
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Tim Dawson
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Yes, we are in the process of licensing the data for Australia and may have a chart available within a month or two.
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Aussie Andy
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Wow!!! That is tremendous news! So I am planning an epic journey to Australia via the Middle East - happy to put an SD logo on the side of the Cherokee in honour of this achievement! Andy :-)
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Richard747
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Australia is a welcome addition. Please could you briefly explain why it requires a separate subscription? One of the attractions of SD was that all the worldwide charts are included in the sub rather than having a number of separate expiry dates. Thanks.
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Tim Dawson
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AirServices Australia, who license the data to us, effectively force us to charge for the Australia chart.
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Tim Dawson
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At present we do not have ground transportation data for Australia; we will research obtaining that data as subscriptions pick up in the country.
Hope this helps!
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Liam Sandie
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Such a shame about the charges for Australia. Goes against what Skydemon has always been known for, great charting worldwide under one subscription.
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Tim Dawson
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To be fair, we charge a fiver for it. We'd rather charge nothing, of course, but in the grand scheme of things it's not a bank breaker.
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alexAUS
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Great to see AUS Charts in the system. Just wondering, are there any features that are not supported for AUS (e.g. lodge flight plan, NOTAM, Weather, etc) Thanks.
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Tim Dawson
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From memory, I don't think our charts have ground transportation on them, and we currently do not offer any airfield plates for Australia.
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Does one have access to ERSA with this system and the ERC low chart with freq changes for all areas does this appear on the map as we move. This info is not on the paper maps lat time I bought some, had to be done manually. The aviation software people in Australia sorry to say have dropped the ball (android) and now there is Sky Demon. Well done so far. Barry
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Tim Dawson
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Enroute frequencies aren't displayed on our charts, but are definitely part of our data so should be displayed in the Pilot Log and in the Radio screen during flight. If you're not seeing them could you be specific and let us know which one?
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I was told never ask more than question at a time, but still do. Main worry was access To info on ERSA a book on airfield info one has to carry and refer to. Barry
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Tim Dawson
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I'm afraid I don't even know what ERSA is. It's therefore safe to assume SkyDemon doesn't provide access to it.
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En Route Supplement Australia. A book updated every 6 months by air services australia , info req for every airfield in australia, eg surface type , length, freq , direction, direction of circuits down to phone no of fuel person. Both major nav packages made in oz have it in the programme, but they are not worrying about android so far, I would not fly without it, I am sure you have to have it if you are selected for a ramp check by CASA. Barry
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Ah, I see. We would consider integrating this document within SkyDemon in the future as we grow in Australia.
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Hi SkyDemon team! The vector charts on SD are far better and clearer than any other navigation app out there, and the 'global' coverage easily trumps local country-specific apps when flying around a bit. Now for Australia there are some real legislations in place regarding the use of EFB - which actually fully approve tablets the size of iPad mini, and up, to replace paper. But each app needs approval as far as I understand. Now for IFR I use the CASA-approved JeppFD with active subscription, but on the VFR side of flights I'd like to keep sticking to SD. Any chance you could endeavour to approach CASA about CAR 233(1)(h) approval so to make SD fully and truly legal to replace paper?? |
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Thanks for getting in touch. We will definitely investigate this as we grow in Australia, but we haven't reached that point yet. Our charts are vector based which makes them superior to paper charts in many ways, but it isn't clear whether certification for use as an alternative to paper charts would be forthcoming since the requirement may be for a specific chart to be carried, whether on paper or scanned into a device.
The ERSA will (again) be integrated into SkyDemon but only once we have achieved a certain measure of growth in Australia.
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Fredo
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Hi everyone,
I live in Sydney but regularly fly in Europe and have been impressed by SkyDemon capabilities this summer.
What is the latest status on Australia development?
Australia is listed in chart coverage as "not for use in air navigation" so I understand there is no additional subscription required but it comes with some limitations. Is it only due to the non-certification by CASA (discussed earlier in this thread) or are there other features not available in Australia?
Thanks,
Fred
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Tim Dawson
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We have pulled out of the Australian market entirely, I'm afraid. Our Australia chart will be updated and remain available for existing subscribers until January when the last subscription to it runs out. In the meantime it is not possible to license it if you haven't already.
AirServices make it an absolute nightmare to operate in Australia.
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Charlie
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+xWe have pulled out of the Australian market entirely, I'm afraid. Our Australia chart will be updated and remain available for existing subscribers until January when the last subscription to it runs out. In the meantime it is not possible to license it if you haven't already. AirServices make it an absolute nightmare to operate in Australia. Hi Tim,
I can fully understand how difficult the conversations must have been with AirServices Australia.
I'm an Australian residing in the UK and have the utmost respect for how SD have changed GA forever, for the better. In fact, I would not fly without it, encompassed with PilotAware (another amazing integration, thanks to you guys).
I've also trialled a couple of the Oz products, but they are very sub-standard by comparison.
I believe Australia has managed to acquire the most powerful anti-progressives with a bureaucratic mastery of counter-productive cooperation. Sadly, the repercussions of this have far-reaching effects across any considerable form of forward-thinking organisation.
Please don't be offended... I’m only stating a true reflection of the facts. Just take a look at Pauline Hanson!
I am actually hoping to retire back to the Sunshine coast in QLD in a couple of years and wish to assist in every way I can to ensure SkyDemon is kangarooing across the GA market, keeping everybody safe, out of trouble, and hopefully in visibility of other airborne operators.
So, I am wondering if it would at all be possible to privately share the dialogue with AirServices, with an attempt to add fuel to the opportunity of pushing SD into the Oz market. Perhaps with a fresh attempt, supported by collated evidence, and some financial sponsorship towards conversations with AirServices Australia, we might manage to persuade the powers that be, to reconsider the possibilities of doing something sensible.
Crikey, if the Kiwi’s managed to do it, there must be a path we can learn from them (don’t tell anyone I said that!).
Please let me know if this is viable. I can line up resource on the ground – of both a legal and a flying brotherhood.
KR
Charlie
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RV12Flyer
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Hopefully operating SkyDemon in Australia will be revisited.
I fly both UK and OZ and love my SkyDemon.
Currently trialling all the other software programmes and they don't come anywhere near.Closest for me is Ozrunways with RWY so it can be used on Android.
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Tim Dawson
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Hello Charlie, and first of all thanks for your kind words about SkyDemon.
Given our foray into Australia must have been around 10 years ago now, we wouldn't even have a record of the dialog. I barely remember it, other than that it was not a good time for us. I do remember that what it comes down to is being unable to operate in that territory without paying a large amount of money both up front and in royalties to authorities, and for insurances, all while having to slap a "not for navigation" sticker on the product.
You are of course welcome to initiate discussions there to ascertain whether the mood/market has changed in the meantime, but I suspect it has not. One of our competitors tried to get established out there and ended up having to acquire an incumbent to get anywhere.
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Charlie
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+xHello Charlie, and first of all thanks for your kind words about SkyDemon.
Given our foray into Australia must have been around 10 years ago now, we wouldn't even have a record of the dialog. I barely remember it, other than that it was not a good time for us. I do remember that what it comes down to is being unable to operate in that territory without paying a large amount of money both up front and in royalties to authorities, and for insurances, all while having to slap a "not for navigation" sticker on the product.
You are of course welcome to initiate discussions there to ascertain whether the mood/market has changed in the meantime, but I suspect it has not. One of our competitors tried to get established out there and ended up having to acquire an incumbent to get anywhere. No problem Tim.
I've opened a general enquiry initially, to see if I can be directed to the right location within AirServices.
I've also reached out to a widely known Aus/UK GA YouTube influencer, who I'm hoping can support the journey.
Regards Charlie
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