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Active (by NOTAM) "Temporary Restricted Area" not permanently shown on map


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That's a nice idea, but beyond scope at the moment. The chief argument against it is that various definitions of night are available, in terms of exact timings.
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Tim Dawson - 3/18/2025 4:08:21 PM
Hello Christian,

EDR164 is night-only airspace, so you won't see it on your map at all unless you switch on airspace that's only active at night (in your Mapping menu). Once you've switched it on, you'll see it has an orange border because of the NOTAM activating it. Please confirm.

Hello Tim,

thanks for the explanation, I wasn’t aware of that menu option to switch on the night-only airspaces.
Now the restricted areas are displayed correctly.
Would it be possible to have these restricted areas shown automatically during planning or flight if it’s a night flight?

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Just to confirm. Today and until tomorrow (28.05.2025 - 29.05.2025) the ED-R Humboldt is active again:

https://www.daec.de/media/files/Dateien/Fachbereiche/Luftraum_und_Flugsicherheit/NfL_2025-1-3498_ED-R_Humboldt.pdf

SkyDemon is showing the airspace of the ED-R as expected. Thank you again for solving the problem.
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Hello Christian,

EDR164 is night-only airspace, so you won't see it on your map at all unless you switch on airspace that's only active at night (in your Mapping menu). Once you've switched it on, you'll see it has an orange border because of the NOTAM activating it. Please confirm.

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Tim Dawson - 11/22/2024 3:20:10 PM
Thank you, that was very helpful. I was able to recreate the exact NOTAM and feed it through our system to determine how was it processed. I can confirm that SkyDemon did not graphically depict that NOTAM.

As is often the case with things like this, it happened because multiple factors aligned. The most important factor was that the uncommon RTCS code was used to establish the RA(T), where normally RTCA is used. This was a defect in SkyDemon and has been resolved effective immediately, so this cannot happen again. The other factors were the radius of the NOTAM being quite large, and the absence of any polygon inside Item E.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention.

Hello Tim,

yesterday (17.03.) I noticed the same problem with an activation of ED-R164 LANTA that it showed up in the NOTAM Briefing Tab but was not visible on the map during planing or flying mode or on the Warnings Tab.
During the flight it only was visible in the map if you tab on the NOTAM and then "Shiw on map", but not in the vertical profile.


Today there is an activation with the same time, if you maybe want to check it.

Christian

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Hi Tim, thank you very much for the clarification and solving that issue asap in your SkyDemon code (RTCS code in the NOTAM). So hopefully there will be no such airspace violations in the future because of the lack of the visual representation on the map.

I can only raise the awareness of all VFR pilots to check in every case additionally the NOTAM/Warning tab and not only rely on the visual part of the moving map. Otherwise it could leads to serious consequences by the authorities.

Thanks again
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Thank you, that was very helpful. I was able to recreate the exact NOTAM and feed it through our system to determine how was it processed. I can confirm that SkyDemon did not graphically depict that NOTAM.

As is often the case with things like this, it happened because multiple factors aligned. The most important factor was that the uncommon RTCS code was used to establish the RA(T), where normally RTCA is used. This was a defect in SkyDemon and has been resolved effective immediately, so this cannot happen again. The other factors were the radius of the NOTAM being quite large, and the absence of any polygon inside Item E.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention.

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Hi Tim, here is the technical NOTAM (text and picture). Please check the NOTAM-parsing with your code and tell me, what is/was wrong in detail. Thank you in advance.

Text of the NOTAM:
D3412/24 (1)    Created 15/10/2024 15:01
Q) EDWW/QRTCS/IV/BO/W/000/100/5232N01322E030
A) EDWW B) FROM: 24/10/17 16:00 TO: 24/10/18 22:00
E) TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA EDR HUMBOLDT ESTABLISHED FOR SECURITY
MEASURES DURING STATE VISIT: 30NM RADIUS AROUND POSITION
523134N 0132220E. ALL FLIGHTS, INCLUDING THE OPERATION OF MODEL
AIRCRAFT AND UNMANNED AIRCRAFT SYSTEMS, ARE PROHIBITED IN THE AREA
EDR HUMBOLDT. THESE FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS DO NOT APPLY TO:
- MISSION FLIGHTS OF THE GERMAN ARMED FORCES, THE GERMAN FEDERAL
POLICE AND THE POLICE FORCES OF THE GERMAN FEDERAL STATES (LAENDER),
- FLIGHTS ON BEHALF OR AT THE INITIATIVE OF THE POLICE,
- FLIGHTS WITH THE PERMISSION OF THE POLICE,
- FLIGHTS BY STATE AIRCRAFT AND BY THE GERMAN ARMED FORCES RELATED TO
THE STATE VISIT,
- RESCUE AND DISASTER RELIEF FLIGHTS AND AMBULANCE FLIGHTS,
END PART 1 OF 3

D3412/24 (2)    Created 15/10/2024 15:01
Q) EDWW/QRTCS/IV/BO/W/000/100/5232N01322E030
A) EDWW B) FROM: 24/10/17 16:00 TO: 24/10/18 22:00
E) - FLIGHTS CONDUCTED ENTIRELY UNDER IFR (CHANGE PROCEDURES - Y AND Z
FLIGHT PLANS - ARE NOT ALLOWED) WHICH FULFIL THE ICAO STANDARDS LAID
DOWN IN ANNEX 17 (SAFEGUARDING INTERNATIONAL CIVIL AVIATION AGAINST
ACTS OF UNLAWFUL INTERFERENCE) AS WELL AS REGULATION (EC) NO.
300/2008 OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND THE COUNCIL OF 11 MARCH 2008,
- FLIGHTS BY MODEL AIRCRAFT AND UNMANNED AIRCRAFT SYSTEMS AT A
DISTANCE OF MORE THAN 10NM FROM 523134N 0132220E, TAKING ACCOUNT OF
THE REGULATIONS OF SECTION 21(H) OF THE GERMAN AVIATION REGULATION
(LUFTVO) AND UNLESS THEY DO NOT FLY ABOVE AN ALTITUDE OF 120M ABOVE
GROUND.
PRIOR TO ENTERING, DEPARTING OR TRANSITING THE AIRSPACE, THESE
AUTHORISED MANNED VFR FLIGHTS SHALL REPORT TO THE POLICE OF BERLIN
AND WILL BE SUBJECT TO APPROVAL. THE PROCEDURES FOR OBTAINING THIS
APPROVAL WILL BE COMMUNICATED BY THE POLICE VIA THE APPROPRIATE
CHANNELS.
END PART 2 OF 3

D3412/24 (3)    Created 15/10/2024 15:00
Q) EDWW/QRTCS/IV/BO/W/000/100/5232N01322E030
A) EDWW B) FROM: 24/10/17 16:00 TO: 24/10/18 22:00
E) TRAINING FLIGHTS, PHOTO, VIDEO AND CALIBRATION FLIGHTS (INCLUDING
UNDER IFR) ARE NOT ALLOWED.
CONTINUOUS AIR-GROUND VOICE COMMUNICATION WATCH SHALL BE MAINTAINED
ON THE FREQUENCY 135.600MHZ (CALLSIGN POLICE INFO) BY ALL AUTHORISED
MANNED VFR FLIGHTS WHILE FLYING WITHIN THE RESTRICTED AREA.
TRANSIT PERMISSIONS IN LINE WITH SECTION 17 OF THE GERMAN AVIATION
REGULATION (LUFTVO) WILL NOT BE GRANTED.
NOTE: TRANSIT PERMISSIONS ISSUED FOR OTHER RESTRICTED AREAS EDR4,
EDR54, EDR55, EDR56 OR EDR146 DO NOT INCLUDE A TRANSIT PERMISSION
FOR THE RESTRICTED AREA EDR HUMBOLDT.
LOWER: GND
UPPER: FL100

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Thanks. I would like to properly test the situation by passing the actual NOTAM through the actual depiction code, so it would still be good to have it (with the original Q line etc).
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Hi Tim, thank you for your reply. At the moment I only have the information from the briefing pack from SkyDemon (with the timestamp where the RA(T) was active, but not shown permanently on the map: 2024.10.18 14:24 Z). This NOTAM information was also shown in the warning tab of the NOTAMS (see video in the first post), but not permanently on the map. I try to go in contact with the authorities to hopefully gather the record of the exact NOTAM. Than I will come back to you in this post with the answer. Or is the information below sufficient enough for investigating the issue?






Edited 11/19/2024 7:22:25 PM by knaumann
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