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kavok
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+xWe already made an exception for Italy when it changed many of its FIS boundaries via a permanent NOTAM. They seem to be in disarray at the moment, and it is not our job to clean up after them - though we do spend quite a bit of time doing this. After consulting with our partners in Italy on this topic, the latest NOTAM brought to our attention was deemed to be temporary in nature, so at this point we are going to wait and see what happens.
SkyDemon provides you wish a full NOTAM briefing, so any changes will be brought to your attention. Please try to remember how far ahead of a paper chart we all are here. Tank you to suggest to see Notams. I found new frequencies in Notam breafing. I understand yours system before chsnging. By permanent notam however the present situazione is: 
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Tim Dawson
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We already made an exception for Italy when it changed many of its FIS boundaries via a permanent NOTAM. They seem to be in disarray at the moment, and it is not our job to clean up after them - though we do spend quite a bit of time doing this. After consulting with our partners in Italy on this topic, the latest NOTAM brought to our attention was deemed to be temporary in nature, so at this point we are going to wait and see what happens.
SkyDemon provides you wish a full NOTAM briefing, so any changes will be brought to your attention. Please try to remember how far ahead of a paper chart we all are here.
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kavok
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+x+x+xWe have looked into this, and those are not yet permanent changes, so our charts will continue to reflect the permanent data for Italy. Sorry, but I do not agree. During actuals flights, Sky Demon chart give a wrong data to pilot. Different from real. I think would better you change now these no permanente data and check until these data become permanent. I think every pilot agree this solution.
No! Speak for yourself please. The only way to fix this is to bug the Italian authorities to do their publications the proper way as everyone else. When you could not change an establishment, is better to adapt.
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Adam Erchegyi
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+x+xWe have looked into this, and those are not yet permanent changes, so our charts will continue to reflect the permanent data for Italy. Sorry, but I do not agree. During actuals flights, Sky Demon chart give a wrong data to pilot. Different from real. I think would better you change now these no permanente data and check until these data become permanent. I think every pilot agree this solution.
No! Speak for yourself please. The only way to fix this is to bug the Italian authorities to do their publications the proper way as everyone else.
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kavok
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+xWe have looked into this, and those are not yet permanent changes, so our charts will continue to reflect the permanent data for Italy. Sorry, but I do not agree. During actuals flights, Sky Demon chart give a wrong data to pilot. Different from real. I think would better you change now these no permanente data and check until these data become permanent. I think every pilot agree this solution.
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Tim Dawson
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We have looked into this, and those are not yet permanent changes, so our charts will continue to reflect the permanent data for Italy.
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kavok
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+x Now Milano Fic NW is correct . But N Brindisi Fic on 125,100 now becoms Roma Fic and N Roma Fic, Umbria Toscana regions, frequence is 125,750 News from deskaeronautico.it
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Fabrizio Albonico
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Thanks Tim for your time
-- LSZA based DA40 / SR20 / S22T / PIVI / TWEN
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Tim Dawson
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Any NOTAM can be cancelled at any time. It is baffling why Italian authorities would make such a change via a NOTAM instead of permanent AIP data.
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Adam Erchegyi
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+x+xI will show this to my colleague, but if this change is only via a NOTAM, it is likely that we will only incorporate it when it becomes permanent (part of the AIP). Is a PERMANENT NOTAM not temporary permanent vs notam: Don't you feel the contradiction?
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