New Milano FIC frequencies from today

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New Milano FIC frequencies from today

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Fabrizio Albonico	F Fabrizio Albonico posted 6/4/2024 7:28:41 AM HOT Topic Details Share Topic
F Group: Forum Members Posts: 30, Visits: 33	Hi Tim & Team, as of today, Milano FIC has a new layout and new frequencies. Full text of NOTAM is below, haven't seen it on SD yet. Textual info: https://www.deskaeronautico.it/le-modifiche-ai-settori-dei-fic-2/ A4580/24 NOTAMN Q) LIMM/QSECF/IV/BO/E/000/999/4447N00848E107 A) LIMM B) 2406040900 C) PERM E) MILANO ACC AREA. ACC/SCCAM FREQUENCIES. – MILANO ACC FREQ 135.075MHZ IS NO MORE ASSIGNED AS AUXILIARY FREQ FOR THE PROVISION OF APP, THE SAME FREQ IS NOW AVAILABLE FOR FIS/ALRS PROVISION WITHIN AREA BOUNDED BY ABREG-455000N0091500E-454500N0091500E-453636N0091303E- 453450N0091241E-453450N0091308E-453115N0091308E-453030N0091225E THEN ARC OF CIRCLE IN ANTI-CLOCKWISE DIRECTION RADIUS 5.0NM CENTERED ON 452630N0091640E TILL POINT 452335N0091054E- 451529N0091132E- 450743N0090939E-WEST DIRECTION ALONG PO RIVER UNTIL 451052N0081539E-445534N0081540E THEN ARC OF CIRCLE IN CLOCKWISE DIRECTION RADIUS 17.0NM CENTERED ON 445529N0075143E- TILL POINT 444046N0080343E-443700N0075430E-442829N0075430E- 442331N0075653E-442332N0073315E-442500N0071300E-442325N0065423E- ITALIAN NORTHERN GEOGRAPHICAL BORDER TILL POINT ABREG BY MILANO FIC, CALL SIGN ‘MILANO INFORMATION’ WITH HR 0600-2200 (0500-2100). – MILANO FIC FREQ 124.925MHZ AVAILABLE WITHIN AREA BOUNDED BY ABREG-455000N0091500E-454500N0091500E-453636N0091303E- 453450N0091241E-453450N0091308E-453115N0091308E-453030N0091225E THEN ARC OF CIRCLE IN ANTI-CLOCKWISE DIRECTION RADIUS 5.0NM CENTERED ON 452630N0091640E TILL POINT 452335N0091054E- 451529N0091132E-450743N0090939E-EST DIRECTION ALONG PO RIVER UNTIL 450401N0094400E-450035N0094731E-445343N0100307E- 444443N0103428E-443952N0105106E-443707N0105313E- 443345N0110239E-OGPUD-ABMOG-444534N0105654E-FAMXO- 444908N0110753E-RICIZ-XUBKA-445723N0111119E-451518N0111422E- TUVDE-452530N0110800E-452957N0110800E-453340N0105628E- 453352N0103254E-NOBMI-NESTI-LEVSI-LUSIL-461715N0100029E- ITALIAN NORTHERN GEOGRAPHICAL BORDER TILL POINT ABREG WITH HR 0600-2200 (0500-2100). – MILANO FIC FREQ 128.925MHZ AVAILABLE WITHIN AREA SOUTH OF 443345N0110239E-443707N0105313E-443952N0105106E-444443N0103428E- 445343N0100307E-450035N0094731E-450401N0094400E- WEST DIRECTION ALONG PO RIVER UNTIL 450743N0090939E- WEST DIRECTION ALONG PO RIVER UNTIL 451052N0081539E-445534N0081540E THEN ARC OF CIRCLE IN CLOCKWISE DIRECTION RADIUS 17.0NM CENTERED ON 445529N0075143E TILL POINT 444046N0080343E- 443700N0075430E-442829N0075430E-442331N0075653E- 442332N0073315E-442500N0071300E-442325N0065423E WITH HR 0600-2200 (0500-2100). REF AIP ENR 2.1.1.1-3 -- LSZA based DA40 / SR20 / S22T / PIVI / TWEN
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Tim Dawson	Tim Dawson posted 6/4/2024 8:30:34 AM Post Details Share Post
Group: Forum Members Posts: 7.9K, Visits: 8.8K	I will show this to my colleague, but if this change is only via a NOTAM, it is likely that we will only incorporate it when it becomes permanent (part of the AIP).
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giannisd	giannisd posted 6/6/2024 11:27:23 AM Post Details Share Post
Group: Forum Members Posts: 90, Visits: 82	+x Tim Dawson - 6/4/2024 8:30:34 AM I will show this to my colleague, but if this change is only via a NOTAM, it is likely that we will only incorporate it when it becomes permanent (part of the AIP). Is a PERMANENT NOTAM not temporary
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Adam Erchegyi	Adam Erchegyi posted 6/6/2024 6:34:48 PM Post Details Share Post
Group: Forum Members Posts: 95, Visits: 2.3K	+x giannisd - 6/6/2024 11:27:23 AM +x Tim Dawson - 6/4/2024 8:30:34 AM I will show this to my colleague, but if this change is only via a NOTAM, it is likely that we will only incorporate it when it becomes permanent (part of the AIP). Is a PERMANENT NOTAM not temporary permanent vs notam: Don't you feel the contradiction? here is an ICAO refence
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Tim Dawson	Tim Dawson posted 6/7/2024 8:48:23 AM Post Details Share Post
Group: Forum Members Posts: 7.9K, Visits: 8.8K	Any NOTAM can be cancelled at any time. It is baffling why Italian authorities would make such a change via a NOTAM instead of permanent AIP data.
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Fabrizio Albonico	F Fabrizio Albonico posted 6/7/2024 10:11:07 AM Post Details Share Post
F Group: Forum Members Posts: 30, Visits: 33	Thanks Tim for your time -- LSZA based DA40 / SR20 / S22T / PIVI / TWEN
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kavok	kavok posted 6/28/2024 8:08:21 AM Post Details Share Post
Group: Forum Members Posts: 63, Visits: 292	+x Fabrizio Albonico - 6/7/2024 10:11:07 AM Thanks Tim for your time Now Milano Fic NW is correct . But N Brindisi Fic on 125,100 now becoms Roma Fic and N Roma Fic, Umbria Toscana regions, frequence is 125,750 News from deskaeronautico.it
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Tim Dawson	Tim Dawson posted 7/8/2024 9:45:04 AM Post Details Share Post
Group: Forum Members Posts: 7.9K, Visits: 8.8K	We have looked into this, and those are not yet permanent changes, so our charts will continue to reflect the permanent data for Italy.
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kavok	kavok posted 7/9/2024 7:33:05 PM Post Details Share Post
Group: Forum Members Posts: 63, Visits: 292	+x Tim Dawson - 7/8/2024 9:45:04 AM We have looked into this, and those are not yet permanent changes, so our charts will continue to reflect the permanent data for Italy. Sorry, but I do not agree. During actuals flights, Sky Demon chart give a wrong data to pilot. Different from real. I think would better you change now these no permanente data and check until these data become permanent. I think every pilot agree this solution.
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Adam Erchegyi	Adam Erchegyi posted 7/9/2024 8:17:01 PM Post Details Share Post
Group: Forum Members Posts: 95, Visits: 2.3K	+x kavok - 7/9/2024 7:33:05 PM +x Tim Dawson - 7/8/2024 9:45:04 AM We have looked into this, and those are not yet permanent changes, so our charts will continue to reflect the permanent data for Italy. Sorry, but I do not agree. During actuals flights, Sky Demon chart give a wrong data to pilot. Different from real. I think would better you change now these no permanente data and check until these data become permanent. I think every pilot agree this solution. No! Speak for yourself please. The only way to fix this is to bug the Italian authorities to do their publications the proper way as everyone else.
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