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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHi Michael,Thank you very much for both answers, this is very helpful!I was thinking to wire my BT580 to the KRT2 plug, following the diagram for connecting the remote. Your second suggestion sounds very good and, indeed, clean. Would it be expensive?My problem now is that my BT580 ls not detected by SD! I am mailing with Support about it.One of those things, it should detect the device almost immediately, but it does not…Again, thank you! Hello dear community,
the prototype of a TQ KRT2 BLE PnP (PlugAndPray  ) adapter is ready. The advantage of this dongle is that it is powered by the device itself. You don't need any additional wiring. The size is (40 x 45 x 17) mm. Unfortunately I can't make it any smaller. Simply plug this dongle between your existing cables - and you're done. Yes, the correct mounting brackets are included with the final version... I don't have them in stock yet. The screws aren't the right ones either...but that will be solved too.
It is important that the electronics work in this small space. She does.
Unfortunately I don't have a KRT2 to test and am therefore looking for a willing tester.
Is there anyone with a TQ KRT2 who can test this dongle? I'm looking for a tester in Germany, preferably in the Berlin area.
If you can and want to help here, send me a PM. Can’t help with basic testing (I’m UK based), but would be interested in this as a beta or finished product. The KRT2 is the worst UX I’ve ever come across for a radio!
Also wonder if you would be able to create a package with just 12v / Gnd / Tx / Rx interface - maybe 2-3 RS232 outputs, so we can fit one box, behind the panel, plumbed straight into the electrics (no 5v/usb), with multiple data outputs to run to radios, autopilot, and anything else that would be benefit from a one way data stream? Hello Bsdchapman,
thanks for your answer. I have now received a KRT2 from a colleague and was able to test the adapter. Yes, it works. The KRT2 adapter simply plugs between the existing wiring and the radio and is powered by the radio's power supply itself.
No additional wiring or mechanical work required. Something like PnP (Plug and Pray) ;-)).
Look here:
At pin 13 of the connector, the RS-232 output is available for other devices (true V24 voltage) such as autopilots, AV-30, other radios or whatever else comes along. The adapter works in the voltage range of 8 - 30 V and is short-circuit proof.
Is that what you're looking for? Or do you really want a separate box with its own power supply and multiple outputs?
Regards Michael Hello Michael,
very interesting solution. I am using the Krt2 in combination with the Air Control Display from Air Avionics, which functions as a remote control for the KRT2.
I am wondering if your solution would be able to operate in between those two devices or if I would need to place a switch in between to decide whether the BT or the air control display is connected to the KRT2?
Best regards from the south of Germany,
Maik
Well, the first answer is NO - but it depends... The KRT2 uses an RS232 interface for communication. RS232 is by definition a point-to-point connection, not a bus system. This standard can be extended to one transmitter and N receivers without any problems, as long as the output of the transmitter is not overloaded. This is called multi-drop. For us this means: A BLE module sends to several RX devices via TX without problems.
It doesn't work the other way around. Multiple transmitters cannot transmit to one receiver, for 2 reasons: 1.) The outputs of the transmitters work electrically against each other, which is like a short circuit. 2.) If both transmitters transmit at the same time, the data becomes unreadable (corrupted).
But no problem without a solution or at least a workaround... The simplest solution is 2 diodes. These are connected to the TX lines to prevent a short circuit. This means that the V24 levels are no longer 100% correct, but it usually works. You can improve the result with a pullup resistor. But I wouldn't use this DIY solution for an avionics device.
And here comes the solution:
The KRT2 BLE adapter from SD-Link mentioned above has 2 independent RS232 channels internally. Normally only one RS232 channel is used to output the received BLE command to the radio and to pin 13 of the outside connector. But that can be reprogrammed, to use pin 13 as an isolated RS232-input as well.
Then both signals are ORed with the correct V24 levels and passed on to the radio. You just have to make sure that both sources are not transmitting at the same time. Does the Air Control Display transmit constantly or only when the frequency changes? SD is transmitting only, when a frequency is changed.
Best regards from the east of Germany Michael
Michael,
thanks a lot for this detailed answer.
Right now I do not know if the air control display transmits constantly. But I try to investigate in the documentation.
What I know is, that the communication with the Krt2 is bidirectional because changes on the KRT2 will also be displayed on the air control display. So RX and TX are both used from my point of view.
I am not sure if I got you correct: you mean when reprogramming the adapter to use pin 13 as a separate RS232 chanel it will receive the commands from the air control display on pin 13 and forwards it on the other chanel to the pin of the KRT2?
Regards Maik
I am not sure, but for me it sounds like it is only transmitting when a change has been performed.
Regards Maik
Hello Maik, some hints from my side. hint1: I have in my plane a KRT2 which works perfect with the F2R-Module. F2R has Datatransfer only to the radio not reverse. What I know is, that Becker Radio needs both directions. hint2: I know somebody who was successful to link ACD and KRT2 and F2R. The break through came with configuration "GTR225" on ACD side and SD-side... even its a KRT2. hint3: the datastream for the radio comes via ACD connector1 pin2 (in his case from F2R-device, but that shouldn´t matter, irxon should also work) hint4: ACD-Softwareversion should not be older than 45 hint5: Baudrate must be set to 9600Baud
Even I personally do not own a ACD, I hope this helps.... regards Ulli
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Michael Hoffmann
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+x+x+x+xHi Michael,Thank you very much for both answers, this is very helpful!I was thinking to wire my BT580 to the KRT2 plug, following the diagram for connecting the remote. Your second suggestion sounds very good and, indeed, clean. Would it be expensive?My problem now is that my BT580 ls not detected by SD! I am mailing with Support about it.One of those things, it should detect the device almost immediately, but it does not…Again, thank you! Hello dear community,
the prototype of a TQ KRT2 BLE PnP (PlugAndPray ) adapter is ready. The advantage of this dongle is that it is powered by the device itself. You don't need any additional wiring. The size is (40 x 45 x 17) mm. Unfortunately I can't make it any smaller. Simply plug this dongle between your existing cables - and you're done. Yes, the correct mounting brackets are included with the final version... I don't have them in stock yet. The screws aren't the right ones either...but that will be solved too.
It is important that the electronics work in this small space. She does.
Unfortunately I don't have a KRT2 to test and am therefore looking for a willing tester.
Is there anyone with a TQ KRT2 who can test this dongle? I'm looking for a tester in Germany, preferably in the Berlin area.
If you can and want to help here, send me a PM. Can’t help with basic testing (I’m UK based), but would be interested in this as a beta or finished product. The KRT2 is the worst UX I’ve ever come across for a radio!
Also wonder if you would be able to create a package with just 12v / Gnd / Tx / Rx interface - maybe 2-3 RS232 outputs, so we can fit one box, behind the panel, plumbed straight into the electrics (no 5v/usb), with multiple data outputs to run to radios, autopilot, and anything else that would be benefit from a one way data stream? Hello Bsdchapman,
thanks for your answer. I have now received a KRT2 from a colleague and was able to test the adapter. Yes, it works. The KRT2 adapter simply plugs between the existing wiring and the radio and is powered by the radio's power supply itself.
No additional wiring or mechanical work required. Something like PnP (Plug and Pray) ;-)).
Look here:
At pin 13 of the connector, the RS-232 output is available for other devices (true V24 voltage) such as autopilots, AV-30, other radios or whatever else comes along. The adapter works in the voltage range of 8 - 30 V and is short-circuit proof.
Is that what you're looking for? Or do you really want a separate box with its own power supply and multiple outputs?
Regards Michael Thanks to bsdchapman, the fleet has received a new member - the GENERIC-E adapter.  This is a very small Bluetooth BLE adapter for SkyDemon that you can wire yourself. It has a 9-pin standard V24/RS323 pinout. It can do MultiDrop, supply voltage 8 - 28 V, and glows in the dark - that was nonsense.
But the rest is true 32 x 32 mm footprint. M3 or 4/40 UNC screws. Please specify when ordering.
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Diplomat
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Hello, first of all, Michael's BLE adapter for the Becker works great. While I'm not lazy when it comes to soldering, the adapter is ultimately a quick and very well-thought-out solution that saved me the trouble of gathering all the components. The frequency switching works perfectly. His website is: sdlink.de
Now, another question: I'm considering connecting Skydemon to my Stratux via BLE in the future since I occasionally experience disconnects with automatic reconnects when using WiFi-Direct. Before I keep experimenting: Can Android 14 with Skydemon (latest beta) actually maintain two BLE connections simultaneously—one to the BLE adapter for frequency switching and one to the Stratux? Has anyone already tested this?
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Michael Hoffmann
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+xHello, first of all, Michael's BLE adapter for the Becker works great. While I'm not lazy when it comes to soldering, the adapter is ultimately a quick and very well-thought-out solution that saved me the trouble of gathering all the components. The frequency switching works perfectly. His website is: sdlink.de Now, another question: I'm considering connecting Skydemon to my Stratux via BLE in the future since I occasionally experience disconnects with automatic reconnects when using WiFi-Direct. Before I keep experimenting: Can Android 14 with Skydemon (latest beta) actually maintain two BLE connections simultaneously—one to the BLE adapter for frequency switching and one to the Stratux? Has anyone already tested this? Thanks for the praise, I'm very pleased. Now to your question: I operated 2 BLE adapters in parallel for 24 hours in the test. One adapter for the Becker AR6201 and one for the KRT2. Setting the frequencies works simultaneously on both devices, even though they are 2 separate BLE receivers. I haven't tried it with a Stratux yet, but I think it will work.
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Michael Hoffmann
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+xHello, first of all, Michael's BLE adapter for the Becker works great. While I'm not lazy when it comes to soldering, the adapter is ultimately a quick and very well-thought-out solution that saved me the trouble of gathering all the components. The frequency switching works perfectly. His website is: sdlink.de Now, another question: I'm considering connecting Skydemon to my Stratux via BLE in the future since I occasionally experience disconnects with automatic reconnects when using WiFi-Direct. Before I keep experimenting: Can Android 14 with Skydemon (latest beta) actually maintain two BLE connections simultaneously—one to the BLE adapter for frequency switching and one to the Stratux? Has anyone already tested this? I don't know if I should say it like this here, but there is a site that lists all kinds of adapters for radios related to SkyDemon. I know this is advertising. I ask for forgiveness.
www.SDlink.de
Cheers.
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Michael Hoffmann
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+x+xHello, first of all, Michael's BLE adapter for the Becker works great. While I'm not lazy when it comes to soldering, the adapter is ultimately a quick and very well-thought-out solution that saved me the trouble of gathering all the components. The frequency switching works perfectly. His website is: sdlink.de Now, another question: I'm considering connecting Skydemon to my Stratux via BLE in the future since I occasionally experience disconnects with automatic reconnects when using WiFi-Direct. Before I keep experimenting: Can Android 14 with Skydemon (latest beta) actually maintain two BLE connections simultaneously—one to the BLE adapter for frequency switching and one to the Stratux? Has anyone already tested this? I don't know if I should say it like this here, but there is a site that lists all kinds of adapters for radios related to SkyDemon. I know this is advertising. I ask for forgiveness.
www.SDlink.de
Cheers.
Inquiring greetings
Michael
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What a great solution from the SD team. We have the BT587 solution with a step down converter from 12v to 5v. I made a small housing for these 2 units. It all work perfectly with a Garmin G5 and the Trigg radio. Off course the next question pops up. Can we also get the VNAV function on the G5 working.
With great respect to the Team and other forum members Greeting from Freerk
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+x+xAll,
I was very excited when I read about the feature in the Skydemon release note, went right into ordering parts and figured I share the experience here.
Top 1 priority for me was to get the radio (f.u.n.k.e. ATR833-II) connected. So I designed a 3d case that perfectly fits on top of the original Sub-D connector housing and uses the existing screw holes (only needed slightly longer screws). Once mounted, it sits below the connector at the back of the radio and doesn't block anything else / basically uses the same space.
I decided to use a HM-18 BLE to serial module. It is very power efficient and therefore I could easily use the 5V the radio provides on the Sub-D connector. The HM-18 is outputting TTL serial, hence I added a MAX3232 converter to provide the proper RS232 levels the radio expects.
Put everything together and it worked right away. For me it's almost a killer feature in Skydemon as it makes my life so much more simple during flight.
A big thx to Tim and his team for adding this feature!
Hi moefly,
according to HM-18 datasheet the power supply voltage is from 1.9V to 3.7V. The ATR833 has 5V output. Do you use a voltage converter or do you just run out of specs?
Regards, Tobi
Hi Tobi,
sorry for the super late reply, didn't see it until now. Think it was already answered in the meantime: The HM-18 module itself is spec'd to work between 3.6-6V, so should be fine with the ATR833 5V output. The serial levels need to be shifted though as the HM-18 uses 3.3V but the ATR833 expects proper RS232 levels, which is why I added a MAX3232 in between. Best Markus
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I have a GNS 430w and would like the bluetooth feature and some help! Please.
Saw your post Michael, thanks for posting
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Hi, Does anyone have any information of how to upload frequencies to the Icom A220TSO? It does have a TXD and RXD pins on its 25way D and it also mentions that it can get frequency data from Garmin GPS units. I have spoken to Icom support but they don't know anything useful. On the older Icom units there was a stereo 2.5mm jack that had the serial lines but apparently the 2.5mm jack on the A220TSO is for Aux Audio??? Anyone can help?
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