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Tim Dawson
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It shouldn't be a surprise that you are shown a warning when flying towards a danger/restricted area with SkyDemon; such warnings are a feature of the software. It is difficult to positively determine that such an area is not activated, because NOTAMs are fairly often not properly formatted. We did try this, but we found too many instances where there was a NOTAM activating a piece of airspace but we couldn't programmatically determine that from its contents.
Perhaps we should re-visit the topic and see if we could enable it per-country, depending on whether that country appears to be good at formatting its NOTAMs.
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chrispilot
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+xHello Tim,
I'm still getting a scare every time from the red area and popup when I'm flying through a NOTAM activated area that's not active at the moment. The red is a surprise since you didn't see any red while planning, but grey. There are many of these regions in the Netherlands and even more in Belgium. I really hope this will be changed soon.
If you are afraid of clearing these areas, I think you could show it as grey and present the user with extra information on when the NOTAMs were read (e.g. NOTAM refreshed 1h 21m ago). Maybe make it red anyway if that was more than 4 (or configurable) hours ago.
To prevent this being a surprise while flying, when the user goes to navigation mode, you can give a popup if an area is now active while it was not active while planning, or if the NOTAM's haven't been read recently. Around Oslo, Norway we also have a lot of NOTAM activated restricted areas, and it is a bit annoying to have these red warnings popping up. If it is not possible to link these areas to active NOTAMS, maybe such areas could be included as a line item under the menu "Airspace Warnings". Alternatively that the warning stays on the screen only a defined period of time (user selectable).
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jorisr
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Hello Tim,
I'm still getting a scare every time from the red area and popup when I'm flying through a NOTAM activated area that's not active at the moment. The red is a surprise since you didn't see any red while planning, but grey. There are many of these regions in the Netherlands and even more in Belgium. I really hope this will be changed soon.
If you are afraid of clearing these areas, I think you could show it as grey and present the user with extra information on when the NOTAMs were read (e.g. NOTAM refreshed 1h 21m ago). Maybe make it red anyway if that was more than 4 (or configurable) hours ago.
To prevent this being a surprise while flying, when the user goes to navigation mode, you can give a popup if an area is now active while it was not active while planning, or if the NOTAM's haven't been read recently.
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Tim Dawson
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Ok, thanks Martin. I've made a note of those very reasonable requests and we'll see what we can do over the coming months.
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Martin Bech
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It would be nice to have a direct link to the Notam when planning and going thru Warnings. In Warnings users can only get the position/picture of the restricted area by pressing binoculars. To find if there is a Notam users have to step thru several pictures or going thru all Notams. If you could add a “button” to the left of the binoculars on the warning if there is a Notam that would be fine. When pressing it - show the Notam. When flying NOTAM information (where one/some exist) should be shown when the user presses the ? button? As mentioned by Naviair the activation of R-area is done the day before and furthermore most VFR pilots have internet access just before departing so the Notams would be updated at that time.
Thanks for a great program - all my friends flying with Garmin cockpits use SkyDemon for planning and overwiew - even some IFR pilots😄
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Tim Dawson
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Yes indeed. That is how NOTAMs work everywhere, except in unusual circumstances where less notice is given. I'm still not clear on what you're suggesting we do, though. Is it that you want us to give NOTAM information (where one/some exist) alongside the airspace information shown when the user presses the ? button?
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Martin Bech
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Tim - for your information - this is the reply from Danish Naviair: If the area is not actively published via NOTAM, then you can fly through the area without obtaining permission to do so.
But it is always recommended to be in contact with ATC/FIS.
NOTAMs are issued every day before the expected activity, usually during the afternoon. That is that the evening before, you should be able to count on the issued NOTAMs.
But of course you must check the NOTAM on the day before you go out to fly.
Martin
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Tim Dawson
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Yes, so in your latest screenshot, there is indeed a NOTAM activating that piece of airspace as you can see from its border on the map. To be clear, what you're asking for is that we do something additional with that NOTAM?
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Martin Bech
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Thanks Tim I fully agree - it will not be possible to state if Notam is there or not and if it is the latest - demands 100% internet access. If it is possible to decode the Notam and the active period is at the time I fly, then the Notam could be displayed.
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Tim Dawson
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We've thought about doing that, but it doesn't sit well with us. We know there is a restricted area active by NOTAM, yes, but the rest is tricky because we may not have an up-to-date NOTAM briefing in memory, which means SkyDemon cannot be certain about its status. It would be quite common for the latest NOTAM data SkyDemon has in memory to be from a few hours previously, just before you started your flight or left the house.
That's why we still show warnings for areas that are activated by NOTAMs.
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