SkyDemon for IPAD

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SkyDemon for IPAD

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fingertrouble	f fingertrouble posted 6/8/2022 2:41:08 PM Post Details Share Post
f Group: Forum Members Posts: 5, Visits: 0	Weather updates, of course. But can you really get your GPS Position out of an iPhone - iPad connection. I prefer the the cellular version just because it has a GPS built in, the Wifi only version must be used with some external (e.g, BT) GPS receiver. In our club all planes now have an air-avionics AT-1 traffic receiver which makes it‘s own Wifi. If you connect the iPad to this Wifi, you get your own position and SD (and othe apps) shows traffic around. I also think that in the US SD is not as good as FF. In Europe you can easily access all freely available charts, in the US I didn‘t see any FAA charts available.
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Andrew	A Andrew posted 4/16/2022 6:03:24 AM Post Details Share Post
A Group: Forum Members Posts: 28, Visits: 87	+x frankhopkins - 3/26/2022 12:17:24 PM Is the iPad mini still considered the most practical for Skydemon - or is that advice very old?? In my view it's more about how you plan to physically use the iPad - will it be on a kneeboard (mini is probably better) or will you have it on a RAM mount that may/may not obscure other instruments on your panel. I bought an iPad Air (10.9") and it's too large for a kneeboard, so am working on a RAM mounting - need to have it secure whichever way you use it given the number of accidents caused by devices jamming control sticks/rudder pedals in critical phases of flight
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BJS	B BJS posted 3/26/2022 2:53:39 PM Post Details Share Post
B Group: Forum Members Posts: 47, Visits: 149	+x frankhopkins - 3/26/2022 12:17:24 PM Is the iPad mini still considered the most practical for Skydemon - or is that advice very old?? It all depends on your preferences. Apple iPad is still the recommendation, as it just works. What size is all up to you and you have to try. I started 10 inch, went Mini, found that fine for the medium flight hours skills, moved to the big Pro once I collected more flight hours. SOPs change and your needs change, so be prepared to change iPad size as well - just my opinion.
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frankhopkins	f frankhopkins posted 3/26/2022 12:17:24 PM Post Details Share Post
f Group: Forum Members Posts: 1, Visits: 0	Is the iPad mini still considered the most practical for Skydemon - or is that advice very old??
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Robertvandortmond	R Robertvandortmond posted 3/22/2022 5:06:04 PM Post Details Share Post
R Group: Forum Members Posts: 3, Visits: 0	Ok, thanks! I get my plane in May… Robert
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grahamb	grahamb posted 3/22/2022 3:18:49 PM Post Details Share Post
Group: Forum Members Posts: 565, Visits: 27K	+x Robertvandortmond - 3/22/2022 11:50:43 AM Dear Grahamb,You seem to be very knowledgable on this subject! Maybe you can help me:- As a glider pilot I use a Lxnav S80 variometer. -With a bluetooth dongle from Naviter, the vario sends a lot of data to miPad for the glider navigation software SeeYou Navigator- I want to use SkyDemon, but my iPad is wifi only.Do you think SkyDemon will pick up the gps signal (all I want ), or do I still have buy a separate bluetooth gps receiver?Thank you!Robert Have you tried it? Normally when you pair a bluetooth GNSS type device to an iPad, the iPad will adopt the Bluetooth received location data whether or not the IiPad itself has an inbuilt GPS. If you can pair the dongle to your iPad. just press 'Go Flying' after first making sure you haven't got any third party devices selected in the Setup menu.
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Robertvandortmond	R Robertvandortmond posted 3/22/2022 11:50:43 AM Post Details Share Post
R Group: Forum Members Posts: 3, Visits: 0	Dear Grahamb, You seem to be very knowledgable on this subject! Maybe you can help me: - As a glider pilot I use a Lxnav S80 variometer. -With a bluetooth dongle from Naviter, the vario sends a lot of data to miPad for the glider navigation software SeeYou Navigator - I want to use SkyDemon, but my iPad is wifi only. Do you think SkyDemon will pick up the gps signal (all I want ), or do I still have buy a separate bluetooth gps receiver? Thank you! Robert
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Robertvandortmond	R Robertvandortmond posted 3/22/2022 11:34:26 AM Post Details Share Post
R Group: Forum Members Posts: 3, Visits: 0	+x grahamb - 5/16/2021 5:39:36 PM +x GGHKX - 5/16/2021 8:06:14 AM Is there a particular one that you would recommend? I live just down the round from FlightStore so that’d be the most convenient location to by supplies from. Thanks once again. It's a minefield trying to recommend which traffic sensing box to buy; religious wars worse than that of Android v Apple are regularly fought on forums over that subject. In my opinion, the first priority must be to make youself conspicuous as possible, which really means squitting ADSB-out. If you have a transponder already squitting ADSB, then you can then focus on a traffic receiver. If you don't, then the cheapest option is a SkyEcho2 which will: - Squit ADSB-out, thereby making you as conspicious as possible to the greatest number of people, to a standard which is international and the CAA's preferred option, - Receive ADSB-in signals and allow them to be presented as traffic on SkyDemon, - With the purchase of an additional subscription through SkyDemon, receive FLARM signals (predominantly gliders) and display those on SD also, - provide a GNSS position to SD with good integrity level. If you already emit ADSB-out, then you could still buy a SkyEcho and use it in receive mode only. It's advantages are that it is small and light, comes as a single box with no external antennae, and an integral internal rechargeable battery (although it can be powered from a USB socket) It's disadvantages are that its performance depends very much on positioning within the aircraft; it needs a good view of the sky for GNSS reception, whilst also needing good forward and side visibility for traffic sensing. It comes with a sucker mount, but depending on your aircraft may need some experimentation, possibly with supplementary mounts, to maximise its performance. Further information here. Alternatively, you could consider a PilotAware. This Raspberry Pi based box will not emit ADSB-out, but does transmit its own protocol, and therefore can only be detected directly by other PilotAware users. However, that protocol is also used to receive information on other traffic broadcast by PilotAware's own network of ground stations (ATOM-GRID). Advantages are that it is cheaper, can be more flexible in location within the aircraft as both the antennae and the GNSS module can be mounted away from the box and connected via cables to it, it will allow you to display the greatest number of different types of traffic, and can support connection of external antennae but its disadvantages are that the packaging is larger, a bit more fragile, and needs a supplementary power source i.e. a battery pack, USB connection or hard-wiring. It will detect directly: - ADSB - Mode S and Mode C (only as a 'bearingless target' i.e. it can warn you but can't tell you where the target is) but see below. - Other PilotAware devices It will also receive transmisisons from an in-range ATOM-GRID station and allow targets to be displayed positionally for: - FLARM - Mode S and Mode C It will of course also supply a GNSS position to SkyDemon. More information here.
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rmilkowski	r rmilkowski posted 6/1/2021 8:41:09 PM Post Details Share Post
r Group: Forum Members Posts: 4, Visits: 0	+x GGHKX - 5/15/2021 3:49:07 PM Hi Sorry for jumping on this thread. I already have the latest iPad (wifi only) so don’t fancy buying a new one - I’ve only just decided to get back into flying after a couple of year hiatus. If I were to tether my iPhone to my iPad, would this get me to the same end result of weather updates, tracking etc? I’m comfortable using my iPhone 12 Max if it comes to it, but if I can use my iPad, even better. Cheers Get some external device like Rosetta 2 or SkyEcho which will give you both GPS and also some traffic info. Given you mount their antenna in a better place you should get better coverage than with a built-in gps. Then use iPhone as a backup device.
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grahamb	grahamb posted 5/16/2021 5:39:36 PM Post Details Share Post
Group: Forum Members Posts: 565, Visits: 27K	+x GGHKX - 5/16/2021 8:06:14 AM Is there a particular one that you would recommend? I live just down the round from FlightStore so that’d be the most convenient location to by supplies from. Thanks once again. It's a minefield trying to recommend which traffic sensing box to buy; religious wars worse than that of Android v Apple are regularly fought on forums over that subject. In my opinion, the first priority must be to make youself conspicuous as possible, which really means squitting ADSB-out. If you have a transponder already squitting ADSB, then you can then focus on a traffic receiver. If you don't, then the cheapest option is a SkyEcho2 which will: - Squit ADSB-out, thereby making you as conspicious as possible to the greatest number of people, to a standard which is international and the CAA's preferred option, - Receive ADSB-in signals and allow them to be presented as traffic on SkyDemon, - With the purchase of an additional subscription through SkyDemon, receive FLARM signals (predominantly gliders) and display those on SD also, - provide a GNSS position to SD with good integrity level. If you already emit ADSB-out, then you could still buy a SkyEcho and use it in receive mode only. It's advantages are that it is small and light, comes as a single box with no external antennae, and an integral internal rechargeable battery (although it can be powered from a USB socket) It's disadvantages are that its performance depends very much on positioning within the aircraft; it needs a good view of the sky for GNSS reception, whilst also needing good forward and side visibility for traffic sensing. It comes with a sucker mount, but depending on your aircraft may need some experimentation, possibly with supplementary mounts, to maximise its performance. Further information here. Alternatively, you could consider a PilotAware. This Raspberry Pi based box will not emit ADSB-out, but does transmit its own protocol, and therefore can only be detected directly by other PilotAware users. However, that protocol is also used to receive information on other traffic broadcast by PilotAware's own network of ground stations (ATOM-GRID). Advantages are that it is cheaper, can be more flexible in location within the aircraft as both the antennae and the GNSS module can be mounted away from the box and connected via cables to it, it will allow you to display the greatest number of different types of traffic, and can support connection of external antennae but its disadvantages are that the packaging is larger, a bit more fragile, and needs a supplementary power source i.e. a battery pack, USB connection or hard-wiring. It will detect directly: - ADSB - Mode S and Mode C (only as a 'bearingless target' i.e. it can warn you but can't tell you where the target is) but see below. - Other PilotAware devices It will also receive transmisisons from an in-range ATOM-GRID station and allow targets to be displayed positionally for: - FLARM - Mode S and Mode C It will of course also supply a GNSS position to SkyDemon. More information here.
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