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Austrian Airspace Data @ LOWS *completely* wrong?!


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Tim Dawson - 8/22/2017 2:43:20 PM
We have published a new chart for Austria which incorporates the airspace changes around LOWS promulgated in a SUP.


Thanks ! Much appreciated.

Chris

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We have published a new chart for Austria which incorporates the airspace changes around LOWS promulgated in a SUP.
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We are talking with AustroControl about what they have done and the best way to integrate these abnormal changes (outside the AIRAC system) into our data.
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It looks like AustroControl lost it's professional competence.
Check the Notam attached:
A limitation to a 5 NM circle somewhere in the mountains makes absolutely no sense. I guess, this Notam was intended to be valid for whole Austria....

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Gerhard66 - 8/17/2017 8:12:37 PM
I just downloaded the latest SD charts Austria, valid from today. Still the old version!When does SD intend to solve this unacceptable problem?Gerhard


I second that - if something is displayed that is clearly not correct and cost you dearly, then it should be amended.
The rather harmless NOTAM hint of changes to the airspace (20-7 until permanent !) is nice for compliance, but still does not allow a proper planning with SD taking these changes into account. And during the flight the old airspace is still "in your face" so to say.

Not on par with the general first class product which SD definitely is !

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I just downloaded the latest SD charts Austria, valid from today.
Still the old version!
When does SD intend to solve this unacceptable problem?

Gerhard
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Hi Guys,
I‌ see also the problem in that case. Maybe AustroControl does not follow the correct procedure, but the published changes of the controlled air space of LOWS are significantly. Not to follow that new airspace structure can end in critical situations and violations of controlled airspace with all its consequences. AND by the way, EasyVFR has already updated their charts!!!
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Tim, as a temporary workaround, it would be satisfactory for me to have the new chart available as a georeferenced overlay in the same way as the approach charts are implemented.

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Tim Dawson - 8/10/2017 2:17:22 PM
I think it's unfortunate for every single pilot flying in Austria, no matter what map or system they use.

Well, it depends:
I‌ do use XCSoar for gliding. There I can just download and install any available OpenAir airspace file, like the already updated free data from openflightmap.org.
S‌eeYou (Naviter.com) has also already (manually) updated their airspace data, so all their customers can see the right airspace structure.

‌‌This is a serious change in airspace structure and even if Austrocontrol messed it up, I would love to see Skydemon find a solution for their customers...

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I think it's unfortunate for every single pilot flying in Austria, no matter what map or system they use.
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