French instrument charts missing?

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French instrument charts missing?

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denopa	denopa posted 12/13/2016 4:43:06 PM Topic Details Share Topic
Group: Forum Members Posts: 41, Visits: 131	Hi, ‌ ‌It seems the French Instrument charts (approach, SID, STAR) are missing? ‌ ‌Thanks ‌ Patrick Edited 12/13/2016 4:43:06 PM by denopa
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ckurz7000	ckurz7000 posted 12/14/2016 7:58:37 AM Post Details Share Post
Group: Forum Members Posts: 538, Visits: 2.2K	+x denopa - 12/13/2016 4:43:06 PM Hi, ‌ ‌It seems the French Instrument charts (approach, SID, STAR) are missing? ‌ ‌Thanks ‌ Patrick SkyDemon is strictly for VFR use. Therefore I would not expect instrument charts to be included. -- Chris.‌‌
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denopa	denopa posted 12/14/2016 10:04:48 AM Post Details Share Post
Group: Forum Members Posts: 41, Visits: 131	Yes they have been there for a long time, and they're still there for other countries. They seem to be missing this cycle. Although they're missing from the Autorouter.eu database as well so must be a change on the French side. Thankfully they're in Garmin Pilot ;-)
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ckurz7000	ckurz7000 posted 12/15/2016 10:55:19 AM Post Details Share Post
Group: Forum Members Posts: 538, Visits: 2.2K	+x Shifu - 12/14/2016 9:52:27 AM +x ckurz7000 - 12/14/2016 7:58:37 AM +x denopa - 12/13/2016 4:43:06 PM Hi, ‌ ‌It seems the French Instrument charts (approach, SID, STAR) are missing? ‌ ‌Thanks ‌ Patrick SkyDemon is strictly for VFR use. Therefore I would not expect instrument charts to be included. -- Chris.‌‌ Who said it is VFR only? In contrast to the VAC, the IFR plates have to be available for free and they have been in SD for a long time. Looks as if somebody forgot the French one for the current cycle though. It says so on the welcome screen: "...This software is an aid to VFR flight planning and navigation..." There is nothing preventing you from usin‌‌g it during an IFR flight (or in the bathtub, if you're so inclined ). But you would be hard pressed to make an argument to Tim to commit to including and maintaining IFR charts/plates. -- Chris.‌‌
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ckurz7000	ckurz7000 posted 12/16/2016 8:31:52 AM Post Details Share Post
Group: Forum Members Posts: 538, Visits: 2.2K	+x Shifu - 12/15/2016 2:10:01 PM +x ckurz7000 - 12/15/2016 10:55:19 AM +x Shifu - 12/14/2016 9:52:27 AM +x ckurz7000 - 12/14/2016 7:58:37 AM +x denopa - 12/13/2016 4:43:06 PM Hi, ‌ ‌It seems the French Instrument charts (approach, SID, STAR) are missing? ‌ ‌Thanks ‌ Patrick SkyDemon is strictly for VFR use. Therefore I would not expect instrument charts to be included. -- Chris.‌‌ Who said it is VFR only? In contrast to the VAC, the IFR plates have to be available for free and they have been in SD for a long time. Looks as if somebody forgot the French one for the current cycle though. It says so on the welcome screen: "...This software is an aid to VFR flight planning and navigation..." There is nothing preventing you from usin‌‌g it during an IFR flight (or in the bathtub, if you're so inclined ). But you would be hard pressed to make an argument to Tim to commit to including and maintaining IFR charts/plates. -- Chris.‌‌ Chris, see above, the IFR plates have already been there for quite a long time. Yes, I know. Just saying that one shouldn't expect IFR plates to be part of SD. If they are present at some fields, so much the better. But don't count on it. -- Chris.‌‌
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Tim Dawson	Tim Dawson posted 12/16/2016 10:44:48 AM Post Details Share Post
Group: Forum Members Posts: 7.8K, Visits: 8.4K	The French in their infinite wisdom have amalgamated their instrument plates into the "textual information" document in the Eurocontrol EAD system. So you'll find them all grouped together in that document. Obviously this is‌‌ something beyond our control, but we have already made both Eurocontrol and the French authorities aware of what a pain this will cause people who access French AIP documents through SkyDemon and Eurocontrol, and I believe the French stated that they plan to reverse this change sometime in the coming months. Making representations to E‌‌urocontrol or (better yet) to the French SIA would probably help.
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