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Reminder to close flightplan


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rv8ch
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Hi, having been bitten by forgetting to close my flight plan yesterday, I was wondering if there were any other discussions about this feature request over the past 5+ years?

The feature of opening and closing flightplans in SD is awesome, and since SD knows I opened a flightplan, seems like a popup perhaps when I touch "stop navigating" or "go back to planning mode" - can't recall exactly what this green button says - would be extremely welcome.

Thanks!

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Again, this proposed feature goes way beyond what we want the scope of SkyDemon to be.

We do have materials to help w‌ith presentations about SkyDemon, if you contact our support they may be able to help provide those.‌
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I prefer to keep things simple:

1. I have "flightplan closed" as an item in the after landing checklist.

2. I file my mobile number in the RMK field of the flightplan.
ATC will call this number. I tried it ;-)

Nevertheless, I could imagine to integrate a reminding feature into a future semi-automatic checklist.










Martin Bech
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I just wonder if the possibility to implement the reminder to close the Flightplan is more possible in SD today? Not only for cross boarder flights one must file a FPL but also on all night VFR flights. The message when landed and eventually parked could be "If FlightPlan is in use - Remember to close the FlightPlan".

I have been asked to teach the members(32 of 124) of our flightclub in SD. Are there any educational material available? ‌‌
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Thanks geohawk - for putting the right words to my suggestion.

Just had a sunday meeting in our flightclub where I mentioned the idea. First reaction was that one of the other pilot missed to close a flightplan last week - and he is flying every week IFR(uses Skydemon). Everyone supported the idea. The suggestion of using a rubber band, moving the clock from one arm to the other or using Iphone messages is fine but with the possibility to implement a solution in Skydemon it would not be nessesary. Another help to meet the pilots responsibility.




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This is one of the more absurd threads I've seen.
The thought of a reminder taking away personal responsibility isn't even coherent. Does your meeting reminder take away your responsibility for being at the meeting?
Not sure about your "moods" Shifu and frankly glad I don't have to deal with them beyond an idea forum.

If you don't want to lose your sense of responsibility, turn off all automation in your life. No autopilot, no GNSS (because you're not manually calculating a fix from the received signals) don't use your phone as a clock, listen to the BBC and set your wind-up watch by it...

Incredulous.

All airplanes will be unmanned soon enough. Where is your responsibility then?

The idea is a sound one and if not for the pride of an old pilot, then for the sake of the rescue personnel who are set on alert for nothing, over and over. Must be pretty wasteful and despiriting for those involved having to take care of a simple oversight.

If such an option helped to reduce the number of false call outs for unclosed flight plans, then I think the aviation community would be benefited tremendously.

Perhaps you weren't thinking about the greater community when you derided the idea, but you also didn't ask the question either.

At some point the flight plan will be closed by the app anyway, just as it is filed now. Using a cell phone to call and close the plan is no different, even if it is nostalgic for some.
Accept progress and recognize that this idea is a step in the direction things will go anyway. Or be a barnacle on the boat. Whatever you like.

Final helping point: the reason that avionics form a greater and greater share of an airplane's value is safety. They alleviate the cockpit management tasks which make flying the plane easier and safer.
This idea reduces mental clutter for those who don't get to fly so often, and might miss a detail or two. One less thing to worry about means more focus on flying the plane.

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If you have an iPhone you could set a Location based reminder for when you "arrive" at your destination Smile other brands of phone may vary in what they call this, but probably do the same thing!

I do think that a reminder in SkyDemon would be a great idea however technologically its not as easy as the reminder option above, maybe you could look at some form of flight plan tracking variable on the skydemon route files (saved in the cloud) which is set to "true" when a flight plan is submitted using that route, in turn activating the alerts to close the plan etc. on that particular route when it is activated on a device?

Ash
Edited 9/27/2016 3:02:35 PM by Ashkirby
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Or just define a timer (Navigation options | timers) in SD. Not as comfortable as your approach, but it's already implemented.

Edit: After rethinking my proposal I believe it's not as good an idea as I thought in first place.
Edited 9/19/2016 6:18:13 PM by efrenken
Martin Bech
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In logs there is a Log Stop time - the reminder could be popping up at that point - if the option for a reminder is activated.


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Tim Dawson - 9/19/2016 1:31:03 PM
I wasn't lying before. SkyDemon really doesn't know you're flying on a flightplan. The fact you have previously filed a VFR flightplan for a route (on that device, or any other) is not known by any particular device logged in to the same SkyDemon account.

Our planning warnings and suggestions are very different to the new class of alert you are proposing. I just don't see how and where it would fit in. You may know some other people who think it's a good idea, but unfortunately nobody else has ever suggested this. If they do, we can start thinking about the best means to make such a thing accessible.

One possibility would be to use the device's internal alarm system either by entering an alarm via the clock app, or maybe it's possible to set an alarm from within Skydemon.

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