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posted 7/23/2012 11:41:58 AM HOT
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I am running SD 2.4 on an iPad.

When I plan a route using reporting points on the map I don't see their name in the flight plan but only their coordinates. So, e.g., the waypoint "RADLY" shows only up with coordinates. This is unusual and not very friendly for the folk at ATC. Also, it makes it difficult for me to read the flight plan.

My suggestion: use the waypoint name in the flightplan in place of the coordinates.

Thanks, -- Chris.
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posted 8/31/2012 4:45:51 PM
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ckurz7000 (29/08/2012)
... They are read by a machine, their syntax is checked by a machine. When everything checks out they are submitted into the Eurocontrol system and percolate down to the necessary stations there. If the syntax happens to be incorrect (such as, e.g., you entered a non-existant airport ID or specified wrong equipment codes or any other such thing) the flightplan is thrown right back at you.
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VFR flight plans have nothing to do with Eurocontrol. Only a IFR FPL goes through the system of Eurocontrol. I believe most national authorities require the VFR FPL filing going through some authorised system (Holland, Belgium, France) and are checked by them. UK has a more relaxed attitude to that, that's why Rocketroute, SD, EuroFPL have their origin there.

VFR plans are send to their destinations directly. SD (or their filing partner EuroFPL) checks the content and they just send the FPL according to the VFR addressing guide to their intended destinations. VFR plans are actually just a notification. If anything along the route is not allowed, you will hear it on the radio or you receive a call from the complaining authority.

Have you ever wondered why you always have to tell the ATC FIS everything about your VFR flight about route/type/altitude/dep/dest, and not when flying IFR? For a national flight that is explainable, but for an FIR crossing flight there should be a FPL right?

As said before, VFR plans are just notifications, and mostly nobody cares about them when you are up in the air.
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posted 8/31/2012 7:42:06 PM
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That my very well be the case but on vfr flights crossing FIR boundaries ATC did know about my flightplan and greeted my in the air with all the details already in front of them, just like when flying ifr.

-- Chris.
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That is probably the previous ATC unit giving your details to the next.
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posted 9/3/2012 8:30:29 AM
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Have you ever wondered why you always have to tell the ATC FIS everything about your VFR flight about route/type/altitude/dep/dest, and not when flying IFR? For a national flight that is explainable, but for an FIR crossing flight there should be a FPL right?

As said before, VFR plans are just notifications, and mostly nobody cares about them when you are up in the air.


It's not the case in France - if you file a VFR flight plan there, they have your details when you call up the SIV.
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Just a bump up post, really. It would be great to get a yes or no from Tim. Right now this seems to be in limbo...

- Chris.
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     I am running SD 2.4 on an iPad. When I plan a route using reporting...
ckurz7000 - 7/23/2012 11:41:58 AM
             SkyDemon always uses the waypoint names where the waypoint is a...
Tim Dawson - 7/26/2012 12:42:02 PM
                 I don't seem to be able to add an attachement. Whenever I click the...
ckurz7000 - 7/30/2012 8:50:13 AM
                 [quote][b]Tim Dawson (26/07/2012)[/b][hr]SkyDemon always uses the...
ckurz7000 - 8/19/2012 9:16:33 PM
             What you see is correct. The correct way of reporting an EET at an FIR...
Tim Dawson - 8/20/2012 2:54:07 PM
                 I've had a very similar issue this week, on a flight from LHTL to...
Kerosene - 8/20/2012 3:18:54 PM
                     I have the same problem. The inability to fill in plain language names...
CMC - 8/20/2012 5:29:16 PM
                 [quote][b]Tim Dawson (20/08/2012)[/b][hr]What you see is correct. The...
ckurz7000 - 8/21/2012 6:43:13 AM
                     Yep, having VFR reporting points in plain text in the self-generated...
i-vela - 8/26/2012 6:28:52 PM
                         Hi, I don't see the problem here. On the Ipad you can just erase the...
Asix - 8/27/2012 10:54:20 AM
                             [quote][b]Asix (27/08/2012)[/b][hr]Hi, I don't see the problem here....
ckurz7000 - 8/28/2012 7:08:38 AM
                                 [quote] Well, of course you can. But must of SD's functionality is...
Beni - 8/28/2012 8:29:25 AM
                                     Hello, I just want to express my full agreement with the opinion...
milansmid - 8/28/2012 11:07:16 AM
             I do not think any harm could be done by using geographical location...
Kerosene - 8/20/2012 6:33:46 PM
             If we were to put airfield ICAO codes or VFR reporting points into a...
Tim Dawson - 8/29/2012 12:32:14 PM
                 Tim, I don't know where you fly but in Germany, France, Austria,...
ckurz7000 - 8/29/2012 3:22:54 PM
                     Chris, This is quite interesting what you're writting... I...
milansmid - 8/29/2012 10:09:00 PM
                     [quote][b]ckurz7000 (29/08/2012)[/b][hr]... They are read by a...
0fficer - 8/31/2012 4:45:51 PM
                         That my very well be the case but on vfr flights crossing FIR...
ckurz7000 - 8/31/2012 7:42:06 PM
                             That is probably the previous ATC unit giving your details to the...
0fficer - 8/31/2012 10:53:23 PM
                         [quote] Have you ever wondered why you always have to tell the ATC FIS...
stevelup - 9/3/2012 8:30:29 AM
                             Just a bump up post, really. It would be great to get a yes or no from...
ckurz7000 - 9/5/2012 1:52:04 PM
             I said in page 2 that there is not a solution to this that we can give...
Tim Dawson - 9/5/2012 4:33:07 PM
                 Well, that's a clear message at least. Tim, can you point me to the...
ckurz7000 - 9/6/2012 7:33:40 AM
                     Hello Tim, I got an answer from ICAO regarding this issue. As a...
milansmid - 9/7/2012 1:48:52 PM

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