+x Tim Dawson - 12/10/2020 3:46:09 PMYou always need to read the NOTAM briefing, because there are many NOTAM that cannot be graphically depicted.Having said that, it's usually worth posting about a NOTAM where you think we could have done a better job interpreting the text to draw a more specific illustration than the fail-safe Q-line circle that all NOTAM have. Just like in this thread. Thanks!
+x pilot-byom - 12/11/2020 2:49:56 PM+x Tim Dawson - 12/10/2020 3:46:09 PMYou always need to read the NOTAM briefing, because there are many NOTAM that cannot be graphically depicted.Having said that, it's usually worth posting about a NOTAM where you think we could have done a better job interpreting the text to draw a more specific illustration than the fail-safe Q-line circle that all NOTAM have. Just like in this thread. Thanks!First thing is a general one, I'd welcome if all NOTAM 'Q-circles' are drawn 2 nautical miles bigger due to the Q-line not using seconds as a geo location. By adding 2 nautical to the radius one would be sure the real affected area of the NOTAM is surely within the circle drawn. Just as a safety add-on to avoid people smashing into closed airspace while they see themselves outside the area.
+x grahamb - 12/11/2020 3:59:55 PM+x pilot-byom - 12/11/2020 2:49:56 PM+x Tim Dawson - 12/10/2020 3:46:09 PMYou always need to read the NOTAM briefing, because there are many NOTAM that cannot be graphically depicted.Having said that, it's usually worth posting about a NOTAM where you think we could have done a better job interpreting the text to draw a more specific illustration than the fail-safe Q-line circle that all NOTAM have. Just like in this thread. Thanks!First thing is a general one, I'd welcome if all NOTAM 'Q-circles' are drawn 2 nautical miles bigger due to the Q-line not using seconds as a geo location. By adding 2 nautical to the radius one would be sure the real affected area of the NOTAM is surely within the circle drawn. Just as a safety add-on to avoid people smashing into closed airspace while they see themselves outside the area.Why 2nm, when the maximum displacement error would be 0.707 nautical miles? If you actually read the NOTAM, there is no issue about 'smashing into' things.
+x pilot-byom - 12/12/2020 9:51:43 AM+x grahamb - 12/11/2020 3:59:55 PM+x pilot-byom - 12/11/2020 2:49:56 PM+x Tim Dawson - 12/10/2020 3:46:09 PMYou always need to read the NOTAM briefing, because there are many NOTAM that cannot be graphically depicted.Having said that, it's usually worth posting about a NOTAM where you think we could have done a better job interpreting the text to draw a more specific illustration than the fail-safe Q-line circle that all NOTAM have. Just like in this thread. Thanks!First thing is a general one, I'd welcome if all NOTAM 'Q-circles' are drawn 2 nautical miles bigger due to the Q-line not using seconds as a geo location. By adding 2 nautical to the radius one would be sure the real affected area of the NOTAM is surely within the circle drawn. Just as a safety add-on to avoid people smashing into closed airspace while they see themselves outside the area.Why 2nm, when the maximum displacement error would be 0.707 nautical miles? If you actually read the NOTAM, there is no issue about 'smashing into' things. Because it is two coordinates and Pythagoras, so up to 1.4nm dislocation. The 2nm was just a suggestion based on add 0.5nm for margin plus no digits after decimal plus keep the safety margin. The trouble with 'smashing into' is not the flight preparation on the ground, but looking at the map in flight and holes in pilots memory to remember the area in question has a different position and in which direction.
+x grahamb - 12/12/2020 10:57:55 AMGosh, how did we manage when NOTAM were published unfiltered in text form on 10 pages of A4 paper.0.7 max dislocation, not 1.4. It's only half a mile NS or EW from the centre of a box representing a minute by a minute to the edge of the next one - and that's at the equator.
+x pilot-byom - 12/13/2020 9:20:37 AM+x grahamb - 12/12/2020 10:57:55 AMGosh, how did we manage when NOTAM were published unfiltered in text form on 10 pages of A4 paper.0.7 max dislocation, not 1.4. It's only half a mile NS or EW from the centre of a box representing a minute by a minute to the edge of the next one - and that's at the equator.There is no rule NOTAM Q-lines are mathematically rounded and the one issuing has all the freedom, so they may be off by up to a whole mile and in reality they are sometimes, so it is SQRT(2) max. error.