Improve alternate planning

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Improve alternate planning

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marioair	m marioair posted 9/1/2019 8:26:19 PM Post Details Share Post
m Group: Forum Members Posts: 158, Visits: 1	So how do you know what route to take to your alternate? You memorise it? You draw it on a chart?
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Sky Painter	Sky Painter posted 9/2/2019 10:50:35 AM Post Details Share Post
Group: Forum Members Posts: 626, Visits: 14K	+x marioair - 9/1/2019 8:26:19 PM So how do you know what route to take to your alternate? You memorise it? You draw it on a chart? As I made clear at the start, the decision to divert to an alternate sometimes has to be made before arriving at your destination. In these circumstances, a planned route to your alternate is useless. So, having made the decision to divert to an alternate, I then Route Direct. Mike _________________________________________ Samsung Galaxy Tab A8 – Android 11.0 & SD 4.0.1.0 Huawei P30 – Android 11.0 & SD 4.0.1.0 PC – Windows 10 (Home Ed) Version 22H2, Build 19045.5247, SD 4.0.1.0
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grahamb	grahamb posted 9/2/2019 11:11:34 AM Post Details Share Post
Group: Forum Members Posts: 565, Visits: 27K	If people think diverting on the fly is high workload with tools like SkyDemon at our disposal, they should try doing it with paper charts and bulky flight guides full of paper plates! Do your planning beforehand, look at your options and possible diversion routes on the ground, and a diversion with SD really doesn't have to be a big drama.
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marioair	m marioair posted 9/2/2019 12:10:04 PM Post Details Share Post
m Group: Forum Members Posts: 158, Visits: 1	I'm shocked but not surprised about @skypainter and @ grahamb's responses. nothing really related to the SD software now, so I'll just clarify my position but agree that every pilot has their own standards and protocols. +x Sky Painter - 9/2/2019 10:50:35 AM +x marioair - 9/1/2019 8:26:19 PM So how do you know what route to take to your alternate? You memorise it? You draw it on a chart? As I made clear at the start, the decision to divert to an alternate sometimes has to be made before arriving at your destination. In these circumstances, a planned route to your alternate is useless. So, having made the decision to divert to an alternate, I then Route Direct. I am not disagreeing about needing to divert before DEST. However what you are saying (either explicitly or by omission of your full thought process) is that are happy just hitting direct to alternate and either blindly flying that route with disregard to any restricted airspace on that direct route. OR (i hope) you're happy to tactically navigate using SDs airspace and NOTAM warnings. At the moment, with the way SD is built, that is what you get. But I am want to be a old not bold pilot so like to have looked at the various aspects of a flight between somewhere near my DEST and my ALT on the ground, so that if I do have to invoke this I know what to expect. I would like a way of saving and planning this in SD so i dont have to either (a) find a bunch of notes to refer to or (b) hurriedly run through the NOTAMs and airspace in the air to figure out what it important and what is not +x grahamb - 9/2/2019 11:11:34 AM If people think diverting on the fly is high workload with tools like SkyDemon at our disposal, they should try doing it with paper charts and bulky flight guides full of paper plates! Do your planning beforehand, look at your options and possible diversion routes on the ground, and a diversion with SD really doesn't have to be a big drama. I am not saying do the diversion using the paper charts, please read my posts. What I am saying is you can plan your diversion route before taking off using paper, SD, whatever you prefer. If you however realise you cannot do a direct to it, it would be nice to have this planned in skydemon. In other words your alternate route is not a direct but a PLANNED route from DEST to ALT. Your previously mentioned option of adding it as a destination doesn't work for reasons i have mentioned. Your option of having it as a second save route from DEST to ALT could work, but seems a bit fiddly for what would be a high workload situation
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Sky Painter	Sky Painter posted 9/2/2019 4:15:03 PM Post Details Share Post
Group: Forum Members Posts: 626, Visits: 14K	OK, let's put this one to bed! When I plan a route and I'm considering alternates, I look closely at the airspace between my route and each proposed alternate as part of the selection process. If I end up having to divert to one of my alternates (by routing direct) and there is controlled/restricted airspace between me and the alternate, then I use SD to tactically navigate my way under, over or around the said airspace, using SD's excellent airspace and NOTAM warnings or, if appropriate, I will contact the controlling authority, and request a transit clearance. When I learnt to fly, and in the years following, GPS was the stuff of science fiction! Until the advent of SD, my flying was done using paper charts, a stopwatch, a ruler/protractor and, of course, Mk1 eyeball, and was mostly non-radio. Over the years, I have flown my fair share of diversions using this 'technology' and compared with this, any diversion using SD is a breeze. Mike _________________________________________ Samsung Galaxy Tab A8 – Android 11.0 & SD 4.0.1.0 Huawei P30 – Android 11.0 & SD 4.0.1.0 PC – Windows 10 (Home Ed) Version 22H2, Build 19045.5247, SD 4.0.1.0
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marioair	m marioair posted 9/8/2019 7:26:33 PM Post Details Share Post
m Group: Forum Members Posts: 158, Visits: 1	Assessing this may take us one step closer to making SD a one stop shop for IFR planning. That and integrating autorouter.
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Tim Dawson	Tim Dawson posted 9/10/2019 2:18:21 PM Post Details Share Post
Group: Forum Members Posts: 8K, Visits: 9K	I'm with Mike on this one. The notion of planning a detailed route to your alternate requires knowing the position you'll be diverting FROM. There isn't a good way of doing that.
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marioair	m marioair posted 9/10/2019 3:49:55 PM Post Details Share Post
m Group: Forum Members Posts: 158, Visits: 1	+x Tim Dawson - 9/10/2019 2:18:21 PM I'm with Mike on this one. The notion of planning a detailed route to your alternate requires knowing the position you'll be diverting FROM. There isn't a good way of doing that. You have to do this when filing a flight plan to ensure you have calculated the fuel plan correctly. At the moment there's no way of doing this
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grahamb	grahamb posted 9/10/2019 4:00:23 PM Post Details Share Post
Group: Forum Members Posts: 565, Visits: 27K	@marioair You do know that in iOS you can export the validated route from Autorouter and share it straight into SkyDemon, don’t you?
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marioair	m marioair posted 9/10/2019 4:01:07 PM Post Details Share Post
m Group: Forum Members Posts: 158, Visits: 1	Yes I am. But how does that help? Autorouter has same limitation. Edited 9/10/2019 4:49:40 PM by marioair
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