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Pilot log on the bottom of map screen (like PC version)


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Would it be possible to add to SD mobile version a preview of 'pilot log' on the bottom of map screen so one can see both map and waypoints info in one place. Best idea if it could be toggled with vertical profile window, same as it is implemented on SD PC version (VP is OK but not used all the time during flight).

And question to SD programmers, why what I'm suggesting here right now is present on PC version and so far not implemented to mobile version? There would by no need to move to 'pilot log' every time it is required to refresh some crucial flight plan data while in the air. For me moving from situation map to pilot log to see basics of my flight plan is definitely not a convinient method of navigation. Ofc I speak for myself, some people may claim different.

Thanx

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Tim Dawson - 7/24/2019 3:37:53 PM
Thank you for the explanation. The reason we did not bring that window across from the PC version to the mobile version is that hardly anybody uses it on the PC version; it's redundant. In fact we have given thought to removing it, on many occasions.

You asked why we are conservative. Good software has as simple a user interface as possible, and as few options as possible. Well-established and popular software such as SkyDemon is subject to an extremely conservative viewpoint on the notion of making changes, especially changes to the top-level user interface, as the proven view of the developers is that it isn't broken, so we shouldn't be trying to fix it.

Having said that, our users are very much in charge, and if a large volume of them all want something, it almost always gets done. Large in this case being at least 10% of people (in our estimation) and a fairly constant incoming barrage (for want of a better word) of suggestions all relating to it, whether on this forum on others, by telephone or email.


I don't agree with You Tim. For REAL world pilots flight plan is saint. Unless you're not a pilot Tim (which I presume - so far You didn't answer my question), it can look redundant Smooooth  For Your reflection, I fly by the numbers and map, not by VR that is only a useful gadget.

Ok, I don't wanna argue........I have easier suggestion instead. Can You at least expand 'next point info' on a top of map screen?
Right now it is:    NEXT: <turn point name> ,
can it be:            NEXT: <turn point name> + <next turn HDG>
?
It is a very small change so I don't think it'll brake Your highly conservative approach on altering main map view.

Right now info about next turn (leg) heading is not sufficiently visible unless ofc You start clicking. Like I already said I don't wanna click. I want to see it all the time and mainly concentrate on flying a rig which is not equipped with autopilot, not either on remembering this number or on looking for it while holding a yoke.
I know that next leg HDG shows up when particular leg becomes active but it appears too late and also disappears very fast. It is simply wrongly done. Sometimes air is rough and You have to fight with a plane to hold it steady. And when I finally want to make a turn this number is already gone off the screen and You have to visit pilot log or precisely touch magenta line to view it (risking entering leg edit mode at the same time).


Edited 8/12/2019 1:10:27 PM by m3duzas
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m3duzas - 8/12/2019 10:38:42 AM
Tim Dawson - 7/24/2019 3:37:53 PM
Thank you for the explanation. The reason we did not bring that window across from the PC version to the mobile version is that hardly anybody uses it on the PC version; it's redundant. In fact we have given thought to removing it, on many occasions.

You asked why we are conservative. Good software has as simple a user interface as possible, and as few options as possible. Well-established and popular software such as SkyDemon is subject to an extremely conservative viewpoint on the notion of making changes, especially changes to the top-level user interface, as the proven view of the developers is that it isn't broken, so we shouldn't be trying to fix it.

Having said that, our users are very much in charge, and if a large volume of them all want something, it almost always gets done. Large in this case being at least 10% of people (in our estimation) and a fairly constant incoming barrage (for want of a better word) of suggestions all relating to it, whether on this forum on others, by telephone or email.


I don't agree with You Tim. For REAL world pilots flight plan is saint. Unless you're not a pilot Tim (which I presume - so far You didn't answer my question), it can look redundant Smooooth  For Your reflection, I fly by the numbers and map, not by VR that is only a useful gadget.

Ok, I don't wanna argue........I have easier suggestion instead. Can You at least expand 'next point info' on a top of map screen?
Right now it is:    NEXT: <turn point name> ,
can it be:            NEXT: <turn point name> + <next turn HDG>
?
It is a very small change so I don't think it'll brake Your highly conservative approach on altering main map view.

Right now info about next turn (leg) heading is not sufficiently visible unless ofc You start clicking. Like I already said I don't wanna click. I want to see it all the time and mainly concentrate on flying a rig which is not equipped with autopilot, not either on remembering this number or on looking for it while holding a yoke.
I know that next leg HDG shows up when particular leg becomes active but it appears too late and also disappears very fast. It is simply wrongly done. Sometimes air is rough and You have to fight with a plane to hold it steady. And when I finally want to make a turn this number is already gone off the screen and You have to visit pilot log or precisely touch magenta line to view it (risking entering leg edit mode at the same time).


Unless you're not a pilot Tim...

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Sky Painter - 8/13/2019 7:48:33 AM
m3duzas - 8/12/2019 10:38:42 AM
Tim Dawson - 7/24/2019 3:37:53 PM
Thank you for the explanation. The reason we did not bring that window across from the PC version to the mobile version is that hardly anybody uses it on the PC version; it's redundant. In fact we have given thought to removing it, on many occasions.

You asked why we are conservative. Good software has as simple a user interface as possible, and as few options as possible. Well-established and popular software such as SkyDemon is subject to an extremely conservative viewpoint on the notion of making changes, especially changes to the top-level user interface, as the proven view of the developers is that it isn't broken, so we shouldn't be trying to fix it.

Having said that, our users are very much in charge, and if a large volume of them all want something, it almost always gets done. Large in this case being at least 10% of people (in our estimation) and a fairly constant incoming barrage (for want of a better word) of suggestions all relating to it, whether on this forum on others, by telephone or email.


I don't agree with You Tim. For REAL world pilots flight plan is saint. Unless you're not a pilot Tim (which I presume - so far You didn't answer my question), it can look redundant Smooooth  For Your reflection, I fly by the numbers and map, not by VR that is only a useful gadget.

Ok, I don't wanna argue........I have easier suggestion instead. Can You at least expand 'next point info' on a top of map screen?
Right now it is:    NEXT: <turn point name> ,
can it be:            NEXT: <turn point name> + <next turn HDG>
?
It is a very small change so I don't think it'll brake Your highly conservative approach on altering main map view.

Right now info about next turn (leg) heading is not sufficiently visible unless ofc You start clicking. Like I already said I don't wanna click. I want to see it all the time and mainly concentrate on flying a rig which is not equipped with autopilot, not either on remembering this number or on looking for it while holding a yoke.
I know that next leg HDG shows up when particular leg becomes active but it appears too late and also disappears very fast. It is simply wrongly done. Sometimes air is rough and You have to fight with a plane to hold it steady. And when I finally want to make a turn this number is already gone off the screen and You have to visit pilot log or precisely touch magenta line to view it (risking entering leg edit mode at the same time).


Unless you're not a pilot Tim...

m3duzas
You should take a look here under the heading "Company History"


Thanx a lot Sky Painter, appreciate Cool Now at least it is clear to me who is the person I'm trying to convince to anything.


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m3duzas - 7/17/2019 1:36:08 PM
Tim Dawson - 7/18/2019 9:55:42 AM
efrenken - 7/18/2019 1:56:50 PM
m3duzas - 7/18/2019 2:05:29 PM
m3duzas - 7/18/2019 1:57:07 PM
efrenken - 7/18/2019 2:00:23 PM
Tim Dawson - 7/19/2019 9:51:33 AM
m3duzas - 7/19/2019 10:48:19 AM
grahamb - 7/20/2019 4:49:46 AM
m3duzas - 7/20/2019 6:00:40 AM
Tim Dawson - 7/22/2019 10:47:57 AM
m3duzas - 7/22/2019 2:00:58 PM
Tim Dawson - 7/24/2019 3:37:53 PM
m3duzas - 8/12/2019 10:38:42 AM
Sky Painter - 8/13/2019 7:48:33 AM
m3duzas - 8/14/2019 9:15:32 AM
ArnaudC - 10/1/2019 10:37:52 AM
m3duzas - 10/22/2019 2:03:37 PM
     Fantastic!
Tim Dawson - 10/23/2019 2:22:20 PM

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