Annotation of HX airspace

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Annotation of HX airspace

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Daniel_KDF	Daniel_KDF posted 8/2/2020 1:17:59 PM Topic Details Share Topic
Group: Forum Members Posts: 57, Visits: 396	It seem that Skydemon is not correctly annotating HX airspace. I was flying west of Leipzig/Halle airspace, and during flight preparation with Skydemon I was not aware that the airspace of EDDP is actually mostly D(HX). So I did not ask, if it is active. Only post-flight I discovered that it is actually HX, as shown in the terminal chart. Is there a reason that Skydemon is not annotating this correctly? Any chance to fix this?
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Tim Dawson	Tim Dawson posted 8/3/2020 8:21:05 AM Post Details Share Post
Group: Forum Members Posts: 8K, Visits: 9K	We don't have a specific HX flag for airspace in our database as it's a German peculiarity. All D airspace has its own activation times, though, so why not simply ask for a clearance?
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Daniel_KDF	Daniel_KDF posted 8/3/2020 9:33:12 AM Post Details Share Post
Group: Forum Members Posts: 57, Visits: 396	+x Tim Dawson - 8/3/2020 8:21:05 AM We don't have a specific HX flag for airspace in our database as it's a German peculiarity. All D airspace has its own activation times, though, so why not simply ask for a clearance? Dear Tim, Let me start with saying that I really like Skydemon. I like the way you render the airspace. I like that you are always coming up with new ideas to improve your product. And I especially like that your SW in running on iOS and Android! But do you really want to discuss with all your customers how VFR flying works in their respective countries? Shall we discuss, if all airspace D has its own activation time (I think not) or if I should 'just ask for clearance'? (for entering D I have to switch to Radar for clearance, for D(HX) I could simply listen to ATIS or ask FIS and stay on FIS or not talk to anyone) I think it is fair to say that in Europe every country has its own 'peculiarities' when it comes to VFR flying. You made a business decision to base your product on your own airspace database only. I find this highly problematic, honestly. If you look at my posting history, probably half of my posts are about missing/inaccurate/incomplete airspace data or airspace rendering. What is your goal? Do you want to represent the airspace structure of every country with 100% accuracy? Then I can continue pointing out inaccuracies that I discover. Or do you think 98% accuracy is 'good enough'? In that case, I guess I will move to Foreflight, were I can easily and cheaply add local VFR charts, just to be sure to get the accurate, official data I want for my flying. Although I would really hate to buy only Apple products in the future. Thank you for your consideration, Tim
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Tim Dawson	Tim Dawson posted 8/4/2020 9:14:18 AM Post Details Share Post
Group: Forum Members Posts: 8K, Visits: 9K	Actually there is a lot to be gained by unifying the presentation of airspace across Europe, which is one of the reasons most people choose SkyDemon. It sounds like you're saying that airspace annotated (HX) in Germany does not require a clearance to enter, and instead only requires the pilot to listen to an ATIS to determine its state. Is that correct? That is the information I was hoping to extract from you.
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Daniel_KDF	Daniel_KDF posted 8/4/2020 9:51:07 AM Post Details Share Post
Group: Forum Members Posts: 57, Visits: 396	+x Tim Dawson - 8/4/2020 9:14:18 AM Actually there is a lot to be gained by unifying the presentation of airspace across Europe, which is one of the reasons most people choose SkyDemon. It sounds like you're saying that airspace annotated (HX) in Germany does not require a clearance to enter, and instead only requires the pilot to listen to an ATIS to determine its state. Is that correct? That is the information I was hoping to extract from you. Tim, you might want to consult this document. I think it answers your question in a very brief and clear manner: https://aip.dfs.de/supplements/vfr/AIC_01_20.pdf
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Tim Dawson	Tim Dawson posted 8/4/2020 12:08:11 PM Post Details Share Post
Group: Forum Members Posts: 8K, Visits: 9K	Thank you.
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Tim Dawson	Tim Dawson posted 8/4/2020 12:32:34 PM Post Details Share Post
Group: Forum Members Posts: 8K, Visits: 9K	I confirm we have added (HX) to the relevant Leipzig airspace names for the next chart update. Starting in the next software version, you'll also see (HX) on the map label for the airspace if there's room.
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Daniel_KDF	Daniel_KDF posted 8/4/2020 5:49:33 PM Post Details Share Post
Group: Forum Members Posts: 57, Visits: 396	Much appreciated! Thank you!
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