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Would you be interested in Traffic and Weather all at the same time on Skydemon or other EFBs?


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Tim Dawson - 6/2/2020 11:45:50 AM
The PilotAware option in SkyDemon uses the FLARM protocol, but broadcast over UDP instead of via a persistent TCP connection. The reason for its invention was unreliable TCP connections, and since then we've made the FLARM connection more robust so that it automatically reconnects.

We do show range circles when the FLARM protocol advises us of a nearby bearingless target that it believes may be a threat. This is particular to the FLARM protocol, its threat-classification of such targets is proprietary. We do not issue any SkyDemon warnings based on such information and we never have. Indeed we believe them a distraction to the pilot, as noted in a previous post.

You can probably imagine given our stated position on bearingless targets that we are not interested in working to extend a protocol for the purpose of including them.

Your proposal to have ADL and PaW work together to transmit some sort of shared picture to SkyDemon sounds like a potentially workable means of getting both traffic and satellite-derived weather into SkyDemon. You're into unsupported territory as far as we are concerned, but it might just work. If you were to bring a new device to market that did both, you'd simply use GDL90 which supports this.

Thanks - yeah the proposal is for SD/Ipad to connect to a wifi hotspot created by PaW which transmits all the data. Behind the covers this is actually a mix of ADL and PaW derived data, but as far as SD is concerned it's coming from one source. The solution is simply to get an existing ADL to just transmit weather and suppress it's ownship/gps and traffic data but have it as a client on the PaW wifi. Lee and Sebastian are prototyping this.

In the medium term there may be a combined physical unit which does it all.

One more go before I give up (and just thinking off the top of my head) - If there was an option in SD for "GDL for everything and FLARM for JUST** threat-classification bearlingless", would you support it? It can be a short-lived thing until TIS/FIS becomes more pervasive. **SD can then have full control by, in this mode, dropping anything else from FLARM packets e.g. ownship to protect SD. As you say if it's not in GDL then you shouldn't get any conflicts for this data??


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We would only support something like that if there was a demonstrable widespread demand for it.
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Tim Dawson - 6/2/2020 1:08:47 PM
We would only support something like that if there was a demonstrable widespread demand for it.

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Sorry, you think your poll here giving no information on pros and cons is sufficient to demonstrate widespread demand for us creating a niche and complex feature in SkyDemon with its associated costs, including the costs of us stopping work on core features that most pilots will enjoy?
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Tim Dawson - 6/2/2020 1:31:30 PM
Sorry, you think your poll here giving no information on pros and cons is sufficient to demonstrate widespread demand for us creating a niche and complex feature in SkyDemon with its associated costs, including the costs of us stopping work on core features that most pilots will enjoy?

Tim - not at all - trying to figure out what question I need to ask the forum?! 

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Ok - based on Tim's suggestion I've tried to summarise what the feature request in a new thread for people to view and comment on


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Thanks Mario.
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I am no programmer nor technical enough educated but I think a product like this already exists:
https://shop.in-circuit.de/product_info.php?products_id=264&language=Though it is not using GDL90 but NMEA as far I understand it

They also have an AHRS box that is working very reliable with some otner Navigation Program Vendors like Skymap.
but I never liked skymap as it is a very oldfashioned App.......

Maybe something to hav integrated as alternative to paw?

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