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Lerk
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Just done a trial by removing the gps source from my pilotaware.
The failure is that the wifi hasn’t booted up until ~2m10s where the comms handshake timeout looks like it is set at 15s for any occasion.
After starting a flight post boot (but with no gps) I started engines and waited 3m before pulling the power to pilotaware. 15s later the comms loss error popped up and the flight was scrapped with no log
I did this again but also selecting off blocks with the same result.
Is there a user selectable comms loss timeout hidden in the menu or is it hard coded?
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Lerk
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Have I got a setting in the wrong place somewhere then?
If I try to start a flight using pilotaware and the pilotaware isn’t ready it gives me the “no position has been received for some time” error and then shuts down the flight.
(Edit: just tried to start a flight without my paw in range and noticed it may be no connection to device warning that popped up - will do a quick experiment later today)
I’d have to check but I don’t believe it even creates a log for that session.
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Tim Dawson
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You can certainly start logging before your traffic receiver has obtained a GPS source! SkyDemon doesn't prevent you from doing anything logging-wise in in-flight mode just because a fix hasn't yet been obtained.
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Lerk
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+x+x+xTechnically possible it may be, but I don't understand the point. In fact I think it's pointless.
If anyone is having a problem with their PAW GPS, please report that to PAW or switch to a different GPS dongle. If my understanding is correct, PAW is a product in which you can do such things. It isn't SkyDemon's job to make up for deficiencies that are really rooted in your choice of hardware.
I agree with Markus; there is integrity in having one source for both position, traffic and weather data. Please don't forget my original query was to allow logging to begin before the GPS had obtained a position source.
The GPS issues are likely easily solved by relocating the receiver to a position with less obstruction.
The fact that I have a secondary GPS source and mentioned splitting the two to allow redundancy was feature creep. I have a similar setup and did think about being able to use SD / PAw before engine start for recording Engine On / Off Blocks. My PAw takes 1m:50s before it's providing WiFi and GPS. I came to the comclusion that I'd need to provide an intermediate power source, like a Anker battery to allow the PAw to be ready. In the end I concluded that this was more trouble that it was worth for the benefit, so I let the PAw warm up with the engine running and I'm ready to SD:'Go Flying' by the time I call the tower. Depending on your personal routine there may also be time during the A-check to allow SD to be online and update the latest Weather / Notams Do you not have to log engine times, or do you just add on 2 minutes to the time then Neilmurg?
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neilmurg
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+x+xTechnically possible it may be, but I don't understand the point. In fact I think it's pointless.
If anyone is having a problem with their PAW GPS, please report that to PAW or switch to a different GPS dongle. If my understanding is correct, PAW is a product in which you can do such things. It isn't SkyDemon's job to make up for deficiencies that are really rooted in your choice of hardware.
I agree with Markus; there is integrity in having one source for both position, traffic and weather data. Please don't forget my original query was to allow logging to begin before the GPS had obtained a position source.
The GPS issues are likely easily solved by relocating the receiver to a position with less obstruction.
The fact that I have a secondary GPS source and mentioned splitting the two to allow redundancy was feature creep. I have a similar setup and did think about being able to use SD / PAw before engine start for recording Engine On / Off Blocks. My PAw takes 1m:50s before it's providing WiFi and GPS. I came to the comclusion that I'd need to provide an intermediate power source, like a Anker battery to allow the PAw to be ready. In the end I concluded that this was more trouble that it was worth for the benefit, so I let the PAw warm up with the engine running and I'm ready to SD:'Go Flying' by the time I call the tower. Depending on your personal routine there may also be time during the A-check to allow SD to be online and update the latest Weather / Notams
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Lerk
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Haha, Paul S S posted that as I was writing my reply!
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Lerk
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+xTechnically possible it may be, but I don't understand the point. In fact I think it's pointless.
If anyone is having a problem with their PAW GPS, please report that to PAW or switch to a different GPS dongle. If my understanding is correct, PAW is a product in which you can do such things. It isn't SkyDemon's job to make up for deficiencies that are really rooted in your choice of hardware.
I agree with Markus; there is integrity in having one source for both position, traffic and weather data. Please don't forget my original query was to allow logging to begin before the GPS had obtained a position source.
The GPS issues are likely easily solved by relocating the receiver to a position with less obstruction.
The fact that I have a secondary GPS source and mentioned splitting the two to allow redundancy was feature creep.
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PaulSS
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None of this speculation answers Lerk's original question nor serves to solve his problem.
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Tim Dawson
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Technically possible it may be, but I don't understand the point. In fact I think it's pointless.
If anyone is having a problem with their PAW GPS, please report that to PAW or switch to a different GPS dongle. If my understanding is correct, PAW is a product in which you can do such things. It isn't SkyDemon's job to make up for deficiencies that are really rooted in your choice of hardware.
I agree with Markus; there is integrity in having one source for both position, traffic and weather data.
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Lerk
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GPS position and traffic must come from one origin, otherwise we violate everything which made flying that safe. On fallback to internal GPS you loose all traffic addendum to your eyeballs, my 100percent opinion, full stop. I’m afraid I don’t follow your logic... If I understand the system rightly an ADS-B contact is providing its own GPS location that has nothing to do with your GPS receiver and a bearingless contact has zero impact on your location, although if I understand Tim’s comment above correctly the gps altitude is used. As stated the Stratus can be built without GPS and apparently other providers can use separate location and traffic streams so it would appear to be technically possible.
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