Hi Diamond1



I've been trying the web version out on my macbook pro (safari), seems to bring up the plog preview fine.

I dont have popups blocked, but that's all I can think of from my limited use of it.

Exactly right. Pop-ups should be allowed for SkyDemon Web in order to allow PLog printing.

Have found another potential bug:



The Metar button displays weather and wind together.

The Wind button doesn't seem to do anything.



What would be useful is when pulling a point off the edge of the map, if the map scrolled to allow you to reach a point off the edge of the display.



Would be great if could copy/paste the message box errors. Generally get quite a few pop up on each use.



Is there a roadmap/timescale for the rest of the features, including some way to export data to gps and print more of the info page along with the plog?



Are there any pricing plan available for the web version yet?

The Metar button displays weather and wind together.
The Wind button doesn't seem to do anything.

• I've just checked this, and the Metar button is toggling the METARS on and off, with the wind button toggling the wind on and off just as intended. Can you replicate this error?
  

What would be useful is when pulling a point off the edge of the map, if the map scrolled to allow you to reach a point off the edge of the display.

• Interesting. This has gone onto the "features to consider for the future" list.
  

Would be great if could copy/paste the message box errors. Generally get quite a few pop up on each use.

• Copy and pasting from Silverlight applications is not possible. However, if you want a record of errors may I suggest the PrintScreen button on your keyboard? You can then paste the image into an email to send if required.

Is there a roadmap/timescale for the rest of the features, including some way to export data to gps and print more of the info page along with the plog?

• These are the tricky things to implement, and it may even be that we will never do GPS sync direct from the web version. The security factors with letting a browser application access your computer ports would make this complicated, and we only like to use features which are simple and effective. For other features there is no road map. We work on what we can and make sure we do it right rather than rush to meet a deadline.

Are there any pricing plan available for the web version yet?

• If you are a SkyDemon license holder, you get access to SkyDemon Web. No extra charge. There is currently no plan to offer a SkyDemon Web only license.
  

I am not a techie, so this reply may not be technically valid.

Being able to put a route into ones GPS/PND seems an important function to me.

While syncing may not be sensible on security grounds, if WinCE device (or the card) is connected to the PC running SDWeb, then it feels to me as if all one wants to do is download the route, notam, Wx file(s) to the correct folder on the card.

Downloading files is a regular feature of the web. So where is the fire?

I should say that for me its not really a problem  .. I carry a full WinXP UMPC with abroadband dongle and wifi. So using full PC application is fine almost anywhere. But for those who need the web app, then not being able to load the GPS is, I wd have thought, a substantial loss.

Rob  .. perhaps you could comment further on the download point.

Cheers

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PL, You are right in the sense that syncing GPS is a very useful function, and it would be excellent if we could implement it effectively.

The difference between syncing and downloading from a website is that when downloading, the browser application is not trying to acces your PC's ports. In fact, every PC has a number of security protocols that expressly stop a browser app from accessing ports because malign programs can cause a fantastic amount of damage to your machine and possibly those on a local network too.

It is possible for the user to give permission for certain programs to use ports, but the variety of protocols (third party firewalls, anti-malware software, etc) on different machines coupled with the technical difficulties involved in covering each process and provide effective tech support would result in many headaches and detract from the simplicity that we constantly strive for in SkyDemon.

*remembers to breathe*

It may be that we can figure out a way to do this simply and efficiently and you can all be sure that if we do, we will get right on it. I hope this helps to explain our position!

Hi Rob,



Thanks for the feedback.



I've answered a few things below, although I have to say I was hoping that (as a Mac user) I could ultimately use the web version as the main software for planning. As impressive as the web version is, if it won't end up having the key features of the Windows version, then I suppose I'd have to consider whether to stick with vmware and windows or not. I already have a planner on Windows which I'd hoped this would replace!



In terms of GPS data, could the software not just export a file which could then be imported into the Garmin by the user? A bit messy in terms of extra steps, but if it's possible it would be a good halfway house, and this really is a key aspect of the software.



>I've just checked this, and the Metar button is toggling the METARS on and off, with the wind button toggling the wind on and off just as intended. Can you replicate this error?

--A restart of Safari and the program, the buttons do the same thing. Metar brings up weather and wind graphic all in one. Wind toggle still does nothing. There are some errors scrolling up in the messages box. Not sure if they are related.



>>What would be useful is when pulling a point off the edge of the map, if the map scrolled to allow you to reach a point off the edge of the display.

>Interesting. This has gone onto the "features to consider for the future" list.

--OK



>>Would be great if could copy/paste the message box errors. Generally get quite a few pop up on each use.

>Copy and pasting from Silverlight applications is not possible. However, if you want a record of errors may I suggest the PrintScreen button on your keyboard? You can then paste the image into an email to send if required.

--On Mac this is the grab utility, which is what I was doing - just takes a while to crop/save etc. Just thought it would be easier to send you if it was copy/pastable. No biggie. Is the log written out anywhere to disk as text just out of interest?



>>Is there a roadmap/timescale for the rest of the features, including some way to export data to gps and print more of the info page along with the plog?

>These are the tricky things to implement, and it may even be that we will never do GPS sync direct from the web version. The security factors with letting a browser application access your computer ports would make this complicated, and we only like to use features which are simple and effective. For other features there is no road map. We work on what we can >and make sure we do it right rather than rush to meet a deadline.



>>Are there any pricing plan available for the web version yet?

>If you are a SkyDemon license holder, you get access to SkyDemon Web. No extra charge. There is currently no plan to offer a SkyDemon Web only license.

--OK. I would certainly pay for 'casual' access to the web version when required (or subscription) if you see what I mean. Pending the gps data situ. Just FYI.



Cheers

Possible, but again, we are unlikely to settle on an option until we have explored as many as possible. If this turns out to be the most effective way for us to do it, then thats probably what we would do!

I think in this case it would be great to see these errors to try and deduce whats going on. Could you send us an image using your mentioned Grab function?

There is currently a problem some Mac users are experiencing where forecast winds aloft data is not being brought down. This is the error you are seeing. It means there is no winds aloft data on your SkyDemon chart. The Metars being depicted are showing you the wind component mentioned in the metar, not the forecast winds aloft, hence your confusion about what the button does.

SkyDemon already allows export of a route to GPX format, which can be imported into your Garmin.

Pink Leader, if we can't do something in particular in SkyDemon Web because of a technical limitation of running in a browser, there is nothing we can do about that, no matter how many times a customer tells us that the web software isn't useful to them without that particular feature. We may get sync to SD card to work in a roundabout fashion but it cannot be a full sync while SkyDemon Web is not allowed access to your filesystem.

There are currently two major features of SkyDemon Plan not implemented in SkyDemon Web: Print Centre and GPS Export (Sync). The print centre may not be present but full PLOG functionality is, and although there is no GPS Export, you can export to GPX format for subsequent import to any GPS device supporting it and save your route onto a SkyDemon Mobile device by navigating to its Routes folder in the Save dialog.

A minor feature not yet implemented in the aircraft library; this will appear sometime soon.