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Germany: Airspace C missing?


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Daniel_KDF
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I am just trying out the Free Trial of SD.

Here in southern Germany I am unable to see the standard Airspace C starting at FL100.
I can see C starting at FL130 in the alpine area, but not the standard C in the flatlands.

Same goes with airspace E. Visible when the lower limit is off-standard (like 1000ft)
but not when standard (2500 ft).

What am I doing wrong? Thanks a lot!

(and yes, I have well planned a route high enough - currently FL150)
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jokoenig
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Hi,
I am facing the same problem right now as the opener of this thead. Next month I will be flying to France for the first time. At the early time of planning I was not aware of the standard airspace structure in France. I just found by chance that several airspaces (even at lower areas, like E in Germany) are not displayed at all.

In my eyes, this is highly dangerous! Of course you say your software shouldnt be used as primary source, but lets be honest, why should I give you 100+ € per year if I need to use the map in flight anyway.

Attached you will find an simple planning from Munich to Innsburch at 14000 ft. Munich has a class C around it. But above FL100 theres just nothing! Somebody coming the opposite way from Austria in FL120 will think he's allowed to overfly Munich, because theres nothing above FL100.

You're able to put in a huge "Alpine Class C" in southern Germany, you're able to put in huge TMAs in Austria, you're able to put in thousands of smaller airpsaces all over Europe. I simply cannot imagine that theres a problem implementing the standard airspace structure of every country you cover.

I also must disagree with flip: If huge airspaces are slowing down your software, then it's your duty to work on your basic software!!! People are paying for this!

And, by the way: Wouldn't it be an idea to have the standard airspace structure of every country listed in the software somewhere? Something like the 10 basic rules of flying in France/Germany/Austria/UK/...

Right now I have a monthly subscription for testing, yesterday I was flying over the alps in 12000ft in my TMG. Knowing that some airspaces are missing makes me feeling really unsafe! Probably I won't be buying the full subscription until this issue is solved.

Best Regards,
Johannes König

tl;dr: Implement it! Software performace problems are your problems, not your paying customers ones. So you need to fix it!
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Edited 3/27/2016 10:36:15 AM by jokoenig
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As a new SD customer I absolutely agree. My reason to buy SD was that I needed a system when I cancel IFR and continue VFR and have f u l l situational awareness. If the VFR system lacks critical airspace information then it is useless.

Another question with respect to Restriction areas: Is this information also lacking for areas above FL100?? Tim Dawson please respond to this. In the past I have used skymap with the official ICAO chart - on this ICAO chart the full vertical dimension of the restriction areas is displayed. So skymap seems here - at least with respect to restriction areas - much better.


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