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Quick question (apologies if it's already answered elsewhere, but I couldn't find it....) For some airfields (E.g. Nottingham) if I zoom in on the chart I get a detailed airfield plate, but for others (e.g. Caernarfon) it's just the runways (and unless I imagined it, the chart zoomed in automatically when I landed at Nottingham, which was nice). What's the rationale for which airfields have which? From what I can tell, through the custom data creator I can only create the basic version.
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Tim Dawson
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Many airfields have georeferenced plates (either from the AIP or Pooley's or similar) and if you've got those plates downloaded, they should appear automatically when you land, to help navigation on the ground.
There are also vector airfield diagrams that are part of the SkyDemon charts, but we've only developed those for certain airfields so far.
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rikur
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Tim Dawson (2/8/2016) Many airfields have georeferenced plates (either from the AIP or Pooley's or similar) and if you've got those plates downloaded, they should appear automatically when you land, to help navigation on the ground.
There are also vector airfield diagrams that are part of the SkyDemon charts, but we've only developed those for certain airfields so far.I think it was the latter that I was seeing - a very helpful addition - a bit more elegant that popping open the AIP plate (I've not got Pooley's/AFE subscription). I assume there's no way to upload my own vector diagram for an unlicenced airfield?
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Tim Dawson
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You assume correctly, though you're welcome to suggest one for us to map if you like!
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Tim Dawson (2/8/2016) There are (also) vector airfield diagrams that are part of the SkyDemon charts, but we've only developed those for certain airfields so far.A list would of those airfields would be useful, if it's not too much trouble.
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Tim Dawson (2/9/2016) You assume correctly, though you're welcome to suggest one for us to map if you like!Nowhere in particular - it was more just a case of curiosity. I guess you have some sort of analytics in SkyDemon so know which places are visited most often? For places like Llanbedr it would be quite useful, as there is no AIP plate and it's not immediately obvious which bits of tarmac are tracks vs taxiways. About half the places I fly into are unlicenced, and I'm still using a folder full of paper print outs of the airfield layout and key details like parking, club house location, etc - from various sources of varying quality .... can't help thinking there's got to be a neater paperless solution. I've got a vector (SVG) map of my own home airfield (EGNU) if that's any use to you (no use to me as I know my way around it just fine!). I guess the problem with you building them into the product is not creating these initially, but keeping them up to date, when significant changes happen like taxiway closures, or even simply the renumbering of holding points.
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Producing and maintaining these is extremely expensive, and we don't do something unless we can do it right. In the case of Llanbedr, for example, there is no officially published source material so how are we supposed to know what are tracks and what are taxiways? The only practical answer is for us to perform a site visit, and nobody would pay for SkyDemon if we increased our prices to what it would take for us to be able to have a team out doing that.
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rikur
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Tim Dawson (2/10/2016) Producing and maintaining these is extremely expensive, and we don't do something unless we can do it right. In the case of Llanbedr, for example, there is no officially published source material so how are we supposed to know what are tracks and what are taxiways? The only practical answer is for us to perform a site visit, and nobody would pay for SkyDemon if we increased our prices to what it would take for us to be able to have a team out doing that.....and then you'd effectively be setting up in competition with AFE / Pooleys .... perhaps in the longer term one of them will make their plates available in a vector form that would integrate elegantly onto the chart. It's not a big deal - it was just one of those 'wow, that's nice' moments when it popped up on landing at Nottingham ...
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Sky Painter
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Rikur Pooleys plate of Llanbedr is georeferenced, if that's of any help.
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Sky Painter (2/10/2016) Rikur
Pooleys plate of Llanbedr is georeferenced, if that's of any help.Thanks Mike - yes, I think I've confused two issues: the more elegant usability of the integrated vector 'plates' that I saw for Nottingham, and the fact I haven't bothered to spend the £25 on Pooleys subscription (now spent!!) and hence was limited to those in the AIP. Back to the original point - functional as the plates are - they do still feel like a bolt on, akin to when a travel agent just uploads a PDF of their brochure to their website rather than properly building a website - it works, but could be better. That's not intended as a criticism, it's just highlighting an opportunity. SkyDemon has done a great job of transforming the en-route information and charts, and it's great to have the plates and the document browser for other docs - but I think there's something much more scope for transforming the information provided on plates for the digital world. Anything from visually showing the circuit pattern (on most of my printed plates I've scribbled an arrow showing the base-leg as a quick reminder of the circuit direction), any noise abatement requirements, where aircraft parking is, where the club house is, etc - not forgetting the ability to only show airfields with an open cafe!!. I totally get the point about the effort of creating/maintaining these - so it would have to be an evolution of the plates that AFE or Pooleys already maintain. Given a general indifference between Pooleys and AFE, if one of them put the effort into making these a true digital product integrated into SkyDemon and one was basically just an electronic copy of a document designed for a paper age, it would sway my purchase decision.... so if one of them wants more subscriptions......
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