I am just trying out the Free Trial of SD.

Here in southern Germany I am unable to see the standard Airspace C starting at FL100.
I can see C starting at FL130 in the alpine area, but not the standard C in the flatlands.

Same goes with airspace E. Visible when the lower limit is off-standard (like 1000ft)
but not when standard (2500 ft).

What am I doing wrong? Thanks a lot!

(and yes, I have well planned a route high enough - currently FL150)

Hi Daniel. Where airspace spans an entire larger country (or most of it) we do not tend to show it explicitly in SkyDemon. That is why the blanket Class C above FL100 and Class E above 2500 AGL isn't shown in Germany.

Thank you Tim for this clarification.

Quite frankly, you should "tend to do that". At least with airspace C.

If I am flying VFR in FL120 from Austria to Germany, all well within airspace E, there will be a certain moment when I NEED to descend below FL100 or otherwise I HAVE to contact ATC. SD not showing this imminent airspace violation is - well - ridiculous.
(I tested it myself in simulation mode: Flying FL120 northward - all I get is an infobox "Exited Alpine Areo Class E", when instead, I just entered airspace C.)

Did you never hear any complaints about that? Might just be that all the pilots are still in jail ;-)

No, seriously: could you please consider adding airspace C at FL100 to your data base?

Thanks a lot,
Daniel

Sure, we will consider it. And to answer your question, yes, you are the first person to mention its absence in all our years of supplying our service in Germany. I don't think it's labelled explicitly on the German 1:500k DFS printed chart either, except in the margin.

Thank you, Tim.

And yes, airspace C @ FL100 is not in the chart. You have to study the AIP to know about this.

But then, this is the main reason why VFR flying in Europe is so cumbersome:
You can not rely on the chart only, you have to study the complete AIP for every country you are crossing.

I thought that the main purpose of SD would be to make flying more straightforward, so you (practically, not legally) do not have to learn the AIP by hearth. But that works only, of course, if ALL airspaces (that are relevant for VFR) are in your database.

Did you document it in some way what kind of country-wide airspaces you are omitting in each country? Because I know about the German airspace system, but I might miss something in the other European countries if it is not displayed by SD.

No, we didn't. SkyDemon like other charts and products does not absolve the pilot from being aware of general country-specific rules.
The main purpose of SkyDemon is indeed to make flying more straightforward. And it does.

Tim, I agree with you in general. However, in this particular case I would expect SD to give me an airspace warning when crossing the boundary. This is simply because flying VFR I have been relying on SD to warn me of ALL pending airspace incursions. If there are individual cases in which SD doesn't issue a warning, I have to remember those separately which kind of defeats the purpose of SD.

Therefore, I agree with you, there is no point in representing a country-wide class C airspace on a cart. However, I agree with the poster that SD ought to warn me of pending incursions of such airspace.

-- Chris.

We will take note of this feedback and may include the blanket airspace in a future chart update.

On the German DFS IACO 1:500000 chart there is a note saying "airspace information above FL100 not included". In fact there are several TRA's above FL100 which SkyDemon shows but the DFS chart does not.

Surely it should be included in SD. If you are planning a flight well below that level, dynamic airspace removal will hide the airspace anyway. And if you are above, you want to know about it (and hopefully SD will then also give you the right frequency to call for clearance).