FIRs not listed on charts?

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FIRs not listed on charts?

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Liam Sandie	Liam Sandie posted 8/20/2013 3:56:57 PM HOT Topic Details Share Topic
Group: Forum Members Posts: 72, Visits: 261	Am I missing something but unlike the CAA charts the FIR borders are not shown on the SkyDemon chart, these would be useful for doing international flight plans. Liam https://www.instagram.com/liam548/
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Liam Sandie	Liam Sandie posted 8/23/2013 9:43:57 PM Post Details Share Post
Group: Forum Members Posts: 72, Visits: 261	e.g I cannot see EGTT listed over the channel. Yes the line is there but the identifier would be helpful. https://www.instagram.com/liam548/
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joseffe	joseffe posted 8/26/2013 2:34:21 PM Post Details Share Post
Group: Forum Members Posts: 38, Visits: 242	+1 I already missed the FIR boundaries several times. This would be very useful. Thx, Oliver
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Tim Dawson	Tim Dawson posted 8/27/2013 3:46:17 PM Post Details Share Post
Group: Forum Members Posts: 8.1K, Visits: 9.3K	The only use we know of for those identifiers is in flightplans, where SkyDemon already enters them automatically. Could you be specific as to any other use they have, in order that we may justify cluttering up the chart with them?
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mbkoks	mbkoks posted 9/20/2013 8:50:38 AM Post Details Share Post
Group: Forum Members Posts: 15, Visits: 42	Tim, in an earlier request i suggested that SD makes the labels available when zoomed out. I agree. it would be nice to have these labels when planning and seaching for the best route, but i also agree with you that you have to keep cluttering in mind. Would it be possible to make the labels appear at this level, including FIS to contact?
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Liam Sandie	Liam Sandie posted 9/20/2013 1:57:06 PM Post Details Share Post
Group: Forum Members Posts: 72, Visits: 261	It would help mid flight as a reminder. Less to think about if the labels are there on screen. I agree about clutter but this one is worth the space. https://www.instagram.com/liam548/
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*stevelup*	*stevelup* posted 9/21/2013 11:59:45 PM Post Details Share Post
Group: Moderators Posts: 593, Visits: 4.9K	I'm confused as to what the point would be? They are - to all intents and purposes - useless... Why would you ever need to know the identifier of the FIR you are in?
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Liam Sandie	Liam Sandie posted 9/22/2013 12:24:24 AM Post Details Share Post
Group: Forum Members Posts: 72, Visits: 261	London info ask you to report at the FIR border and give you the code, a quick glance confirms it all.. CAA charts show it, I just see it as a little bit of extra useful info. If others don't then so be it.. https://www.instagram.com/liam548/
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ckurz7000	ckurz7000 posted 9/23/2013 9:47:47 AM Post Details Share Post
Group: Forum Members Posts: 538, Visits: 2.2K	It wouldn't be useful for me. ATC hands you over to the new sector and provides you with a frequency anyway. -- Chris.
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Liam Sandie	Liam Sandie posted 9/23/2013 6:42:37 PM Post Details Share Post
Group: Forum Members Posts: 72, Visits: 261	Well ill let the masses decide but a few extra letters on the chart aint going to make it cluttered. Plus its useful for planning, will stop me digging the caa chart out to check them https://www.instagram.com/liam548/
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