By Tim Dawson - 4/1/2019 12:01:25 PM
Sharing routes with different aircraft is a very normal thing for our users to do. I am not sure a warning message would be very helpful in this case, as it would instantly start appearing during the normal course of usage of SkyDemon for a lot of customers.
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By Tim Dawson - 4/7/2019 11:17:34 AM
SkyDemon hasn't changed in that regard.
Frederic, I understand your problem but I think you want us to display a warning whenever someone loads a route with an aircraft that isn't their default aircraft. That's a very normal thing for our users to do, so that wouldn't be a very good user experience for all those people. I am not sure of the best way to avoid the situation you're describing but will give it some thought, and suggestions are always welcome.
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By frederic - 4/7/2019 2:08:00 PM
Thank you Tim,
I think to a warning / pop up, a bit like the one we get when we want to fill a flightplan without having defined a date in the flight details,
maybe by adding that the defined aircraft is not the default one.
If ask this, it's because it has happened several times to several pilots. I was not alone.
Best regards
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By frederic - 4/23/2019 5:38:23 AM
Hello Tim,
Last sunday, I was still discussing this problem with 4 pilots of the club. All 4 had already sent a flightplan with SD with the wrong registration of aircraft because they had used the route of another pilot and they forgot to change the aircraft registration in the flightplan. I feel that this mistake should be easy to commit and that SD could help us pay attention.
I think it would be enough to just have a warning popup in the case of use of another aircraft than the one defined by default.
If we use a route that is not created with the default aircraft, I think it would be great if we could have a warning popup that opens when we want to fill the flightplan. We could have this warning popup also when we open a route with an aircraft that is not the default one.
The ideal would be to have both warnings.
What do you think about this solution?
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By pilot-byom - 4/23/2019 6:50:14 AM
I think there should be a maximum stop to which extent Skydemon may correct and prevent mistakes of stupid pilots with sloppy flight preparation. Who spends so little effort on flight planning that hesheit misses a wrong registration in a flightplan will miss many and important other things as well, may even consider giving the license back and paves the way for autonomous flying, in which case stupid programmers replace the sloppy pilots. Just my opinion.
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By Tim Dawson - 4/23/2019 10:18:12 AM
I'm afraid our answer does not change if you keep asking the same question. Please refer to my earlier answers on this thread, which still apply.
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By MikeTwoOne - 4/23/2019 10:20:10 AM
+x[quote]I was still discussing this problem with 4 pilots of the club. All 4 had already sent a flightplan with SD with the wrong registration I'm part of a pretty huge Aéroclub, with members sending flightplan s through SD regularly and I never heard such a thing before ... Filling a FP is something you should do seriously. If they mix-up registration, I don't want to know what else they wrongly fill. Do they also sometimes fly the wrong plane? ;-)
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By frederic - 5/1/2019 5:08:12 PM
Hi Martin,
It should also been this solution.
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By frederic - 4/5/2019 5:53:09 AM
High Tim,
thanks for the answer. I don't really understand what you mean. Probably my poor english.
Sharing routes is verry nice and helpful for the users of SD. With a group of pilots flying with the same type of aircraft (and also other types) we do it verry regularly.
We are aware that when loading a route sahred by another pilot, the route also takes over the aircraft informations comming from the aircraft library of the person who created the route.
Despite this, it has already happened several times that a pilot forgot to change the aircraft type choosing his own aircraft from his own aircraft library.
At this time, if he sends his flightplan by SD, the aircraft ID filled in the FP is those used by the person who created first the route...and not the "default" one (or those I asked SD to give us the possibility to define as default in our own library). In such a case, when you are flying and you ask at the first contact to the airspace controler to activate the flightplan, he answer that there is nos flightplan for this aircraft.....At this moment, you remember the mistake you made in SD by not changing the aircraft, but it is to late.
That's why I asked if SD could define a default aircraft in the library and show us a warning when we load a route and/or when we fill a flightplan with an other aircraft than this defined per default.
Many thanks for you rhelp.
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By pilot-byom - 4/5/2019 8:22:30 AM
Sorry, I am confused. I remember when sharing a planned route via email, I got a message telling ‚your aircraft is different to what it was when the route was planned‘ or so. In the current version I no longer get this message. Was Skydemon changed at that function?
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By frederic - 4/25/2019 6:46:59 AM
Alright my friends. I undertand that for you, a lot of pilot of my club are stupid enough. :-))) because it's already happened at different times for different pilot. Fortunately, when we had the problem, we are much more attentive next time.
It was just a suggestion to improve our SD...It is not necessary to be hurtful in his answers. keep us together. |
By Martin Bech - 4/25/2019 11:55:13 AM
Hi Tim
We also share fpl, but normally only for people onboard the same airplane - super nice.
Could it be possible for SD to check if the one that sends a flightplan is sending with a temporary aircraft, and in fact SD should not accept that. Only fpl with aircrafts stored on the computer should be accepted. So when another gets a copy of a fpl from another - he/she must save the temporary aircraft and change information or chose an aircraft from the library.
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By MikeTwoOne - 4/25/2019 7:43:42 PM
Frederic, my point is that filling a FP goes way beyond sending a registration. Before clicking the magic button, it really worst checking every single information twice. What about equipments ? Colors (very important for Search & Rescue) and all other pieces of informations ? If you copy a profile without checking the registration, there is a big chance many other things could also be wrong. Not speaking about W&B, which is also part of the profile. I can't imagine not checking everything for a flight under FP, but perhaps I'm a wrong.
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By frederic - 4/26/2019 4:53:11 AM
Thank you Mike and Martin
I can guarantee that all the pilots I know and with whom I fly regularly are serious pilots who are trying to properly prepare their flights.
From the moment when several people made the same mistake, I thought, maybe stupidly, that we could help to stop making this mistake.
Markus thinks not by stopping to help the pilots. But then why to use SD as a navigational aid when there are maps? This is a joke. :-)))
When we exchange a route with another pilot, I would much rather receive the route without the personal informations. Then I could complete my flight plan and other information as I do for a route that I create myself.
But it seems that my idea is not shared. Never mind.
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By Martin Bech - 4/26/2019 1:23:28 PM
Frederic - I see your point and idea and therefore suggesting a solution to SD - which also should cover your wish but at the same time make it a more “failprof” solution.
SD: SD check if the one that sends a flightplan is sending with a temporary aircraft(shared route) thenSD should not accept sending the flp but give an error. Only fpl with aircrafts stored on the computer should be accepted. So when one gets a shared route, he/she must save the temporary aircraft and change information or chose an aircraft from the aircraft library where the pilot inf and aircraft information normally is stored.
Btw thanks for your idea.
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By frederic - 3/30/2019 9:06:28 AM
When we share a route between users of SD, the aircraft taken in the route is the one of the one who created it.
If you do not pay attention, the flight plan is filled with this aircraft data and not with the device that was defined by default in its own SkyDemon.
When the pilot asks by radio to the controller to activate his flight plan, the controleler announces that there is none ... but another with another registration.
I have already experienced this case several times with different pilots. Proof that the fault of annatention is very quickly committed.
Suggestion: would it not be possible to define a default airplane in our own library? Could SD display a warning message when opening a route or completing a flight plan with an aircraft other than the default one?
Thank you in advance.
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