By Tim Dawson - 12/5/2018 10:14:16 AM
I just don't get it, sorry. At the point of the arrow in your screenshot I can't see any airspace other than the class E, which is accurately displayed in the tooltip.
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By EHOW flyer - 12/6/2018 10:48:13 AM
Have a check near EDFQ where the mentioned circle is just south of the RMZ (part of the notam circle is visible between these locations): This is the stack when checked om the blue location, and This is the stack at the red location. The airspace stack at both locations should be the same.It seems that the stack is different if you check within a notamed area, restricted or prohibited area and in area’s with nothing specials. Outside. The stack shows less airspace, also no upper limit of the E-airspace, which is FL100 over total (?) Gernamy.
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By derWessi - 12/6/2018 12:23:42 PM
Hi, Yep, that's exactly the problem I described here. The issue is that the graphical airspace stack depends on the size of the popup window. And the popup window size depends on the textual information shown on the right. But in your case the airspace stack on the right is also missing the C airspace. Maybe you have enabled Automatic Decluttering in your planing options?
Regards, Andreas
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By EHOW flyer - 12/6/2018 12:34:16 PM
+xBut in your case the airspace stack on the right is also missing the C airspace. Maybe you have enabled Automatic Decluttering in your planing options?
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By derWessi - 12/6/2018 12:53:17 PM
+x+xBut in your case the airspace stack on the right is also missing the C airspace. Maybe you have enabled Automatic Decluttering in your planing options?
No, the C airspace above FL100 is visible when pointing at the blue location and will disappear on the red location.
No, it's missing on the right of the popup window in both of your screenshots. So I guess you have enabled airspace decluttering (on android the option is in the map settings and called "automatische Vereinfachung" in German language). And the stack on the left depends on the size of the popup window. If the window is too small the airspace is not drawn.
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By EHOW flyer - 12/6/2018 1:06:00 PM
Ah, I see what you mean! I have set (in Windows) that features will hide above 11000. And indeed, there is a discrepancy between the graphical info (stack) and the textual info (right column).
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By Tim Dawson - 12/6/2018 3:18:34 PM
As far as I can tell, everything is behaving as designed here.
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By derWessi - 12/6/2018 4:19:24 PM
+xAs far as I can tell, everything is behaving as designed here. I agree with your conclusion here. But having said that, I still think that this design is more confusing than helpful. As you could see in this thread people tend to rely more on the graphical information shown on the left of the window and give them a much higher weight than the textual information on the right. But the completeness of the information displayed in the graph on the left just depends on the window size which is more or less random and depend only on the number of text lines. I hope you can find a better solution here for future versions.
Regards, Andreas
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By Tim Dawson - 12/7/2018 2:53:14 PM
We're always open to suggestions. What we have right now, people are generally very happy with. It's a better presentation of What's Here than we've ever seen anywhere else.
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By EHOW flyer - 12/7/2018 4:01:41 PM
Another try in this small area... Hover with the mouse pointer around the OSN vor. On the east side even the always existing class E space is not shown, but when hitting the base of the wind turbine, then tahdaah the E airspace is shown in the stack (only the base), not in the text info. (and info about the turbine). When ticking the Melle airport, then both thebase and ceiling of the class E airspace is graphically shown, with even a small portion of a red area. Go just west of the VOR inside the TMZ, then the base of the E airspace are shown in the stack, and only the TMZ in the text. So it matters where you have your pointer what will be shown in either the text or the stack (hit a feature and the stack and or text info will change). This within the same vertical profile of airspaces. I discovered that this is not limited to Germany. But maybe MY windows version has an odd behavior.  And yes, it's normally a good presentation of What's Here, but I cannot confirm " than we've ever seen anywhere else", because I do not look anywhere else...  |
By Tim Dawson - 12/10/2018 11:15:59 AM
It is by design that country-wide airspace isn't explicitly drawn on the map, and therefore show in the What's Here menu/tooltip. If we showed it, it would mean there was always an entry for it, which would mean less space for unique features. It's shown in the airspace stack, where that is shown, because all controlled airspace is shown in that stack.
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By derWessi - 12/10/2018 1:42:15 PM
+xIt's shown in the airspace stack, where that is shown, because all controlled airspace is shown in that stack. All except those that are not shown, because the window is not large enough. But rather than just complaining and instead contribute something constructive, how about making the stack scrollable like this:
This could be a possible solution for the embedded devices (android / Ipad). Also you could reserve a minimum window size for the stack even if there are only a few text lines to show. For windows one could think about having an extra vertical airspace stack window that is dockable and permanently shows the complete airspace stack for the current mouse position like this:
Regards, Andreas
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By EHOW flyer - 12/10/2018 2:41:56 PM
And sometimes there is an empty stack where at least a class E airspace is present.
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By Tim Dawson - 12/11/2018 11:19:33 AM
We could indeed make the stack scrollable on our mobile software where it's not being displayed as a tooltip.
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By ckurz7000 - 12/14/2018 8:02:19 AM
And here is another suggestion for the same "What's here" window: if flying, why not indicate your present altitude by a horizontal line in the graphical depiction? Would add an important piece of information right where and when you need it.
-- Chris.
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By Tim Dawson - 12/14/2018 5:03:26 PM
Didn't we already add that?
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By EHOW flyer - 12/2/2018 11:25:35 PM
There is a hugh restricted area over Germany, it is shown as a circle in SD, see picture. Inside this circle the vertical profile of the airspace (mouse over) seems to be correct, but outside this circle the information of the vertical boundaries is at least incomplete. This is in the Windows version, I checked it on an iPad, and this is OK.
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By ckurz7000 - 12/19/2018 3:11:16 PM
Oops, this one slipped completely past me.
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