By Tim Dawson - 4/24/2017 9:05:49 AM
We've looked into automatic zooming depending on the phase of flight before, and asked for pilots' opinions. Unfortunately there didn't seem to be a consensus so we have so far not implemented automatic zooming.
The exception is zooming in to ground features when you land and out of ground features (back to your nominated preferred zoom level) when you take off, which is an unambiguous feature to implement.
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By Renzo - 4/24/2017 9:40:10 AM
+xWe've looked into automatic zooming depending on the phase of flight before, and asked for pilots' opinions. Unfortunately there didn't seem to be a consensus so we have so far not implemented automatic zooming. The exception is zooming in to ground features when you land and out of ground features (back to your nominated preferred zoom level) when you take off, which is an unambiguous feature to implement.
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By drnicolas - 4/25/2017 6:58:21 AM
+xWe've looked into automatic zooming depending on the phase of flight before, and asked for pilots' opinions. Unfortunately there didn't seem to be a consensus so we have so far not implemented automatic zooming. The exception is zooming in to ground features when you land and out of ground features (back to your nominated preferred zoom level) when you take off, which is an unambiguous feature to implement. Sounds funny that there is no Consensus.
In my eyes this is a more than useful feature. One of the most impressing features of another program is exactly an automatic zooming in as you come closer to your airport,, including a Change to the (georeferenced - surprise, surprise :-) ) Taxiway Chart.
Approaching and Landing at an unknown airfileld is for me the most challenging Phase of flight, especially when you descended early to pattern altitude.
Therefore I would love to several more Settings concerning Autozoom or swithcing to Chart view.
- distance or time to an Airport at which an Autozoom process starts
- distance or time to an airfield at which the Approach Chart is displayed in map.
Comment. There are some airfields which have more than ONE Chart. In These situations NO Chart is automatically displayed. I learnt that SD does not know which one to Display. This is okay. Egelsbach EDFE is a good example. It has 2 Charts available, therefore None is displayed automatically. EDFE is a busy place surrounded and covered by Airspace C and CTRs. So, approaching this airfileld is not the right Situation to be confused waiting for the Chart to appear and then having to select it manually while coming closer and closer.
A configurable time/distance at which the Chart appears or not would be helpful. At the Moment at least the Setting is too Close.
- max. zoom Level or zoom Level of the Approach Chart itself
At the Moment sitting on the ground I can see often only the Apron where my aircraft is located due to the Maximum available zoom level. But I would like to have an Impression where to go next. A more conservative zoom in would be useful.
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By ckurz7000 - 4/26/2017 8:21:03 AM
I am not a fan of auto-zoom. To me, it is an example of the program trying to be smarter then I am which mostly leads to frustration. You can please some people at the expense of pissing of another crowd. I like the way it currently is. Zooming in and out is easily accomplished.
One thing I would like to see is the auto-popup of plates when you are approaching an airport. I understand the conundrum of which plate to show from among the (possibly) many plates available. So why not let the user specify a "default" or "preferred" plate at planning time? This setting is remembered for each airport and that's the plate which pops up as you draw closer.
-- Chris.
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By Renzo - 4/26/2017 10:18:36 AM
+xI am not a fan of auto-zoom. To me, it is an example of the program trying to be smarter then I am which mostly leads to frustration. You can please some people at the expense of pissing of another crowd. I like the way it currently is. Zooming in and out is easily accomplished. ...that´s why I said before that it shoud be switchable by the user. "classic-SD-mode" or "auto-zoom-mode". btw: how easily is it to zoom in and out on an iPad flying in bumpy conditions? In my opinion not very easy. But therefore, as mentioned above: the user can decide: auto on or off. |
By Tim Dawson - 4/26/2017 1:58:40 PM
It is not just a matter of making it optional. That part goes without saying. It also turns out that every pilot has a different idea of when it should activate, how it should work, what different zoom levels should be triggered and un-triggered, etc.
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By ckurz7000 - 4/26/2017 2:52:17 PM
Most people say, "I think this function should be implemented and made optional for those who don't want it." What this results into is a jungle of settings and options that confuses everybody and makes nobody happy. Good software has to steer a judicious course when it comes what to include and what not to include as a function. And Tim does an admirable job in that department!!!
-- Chris.
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By Renzo - 4/26/2017 9:20:06 PM
+xMost people say, "I think this function should be implemented and made optional for those who don't want it." What this results into is a jungle of settings and options that confuses everybody and makes nobody happy. Good software has to steer a judicious course when it comes what to include and what not to include as a function. And Tim does an admirable job in that department!!! -- Chris. Wow, what a productive statement. Thanks for that great moment. And your opinion to what is really discussed here? Or better "???" |
By ckurz7000 - 4/27/2017 7:02:32 AM
+x+xMost people say, "I think this function should be implemented and made optional for those who don't want it." What this results into is a jungle of settings and options that confuses everybody and makes nobody happy. Good software has to steer a judicious course when it comes what to include and what not to include as a function. And Tim does an admirable job in that department!!! -- Chris. Wow, what a productive statement. Thanks for that great moment. And your opinion to what is really discussed here? Or better "???" Can you be troubled to scroll up a few posts to where I have posted my opinion? -- Chris. P.S.: Having a bad morning? |
By Tim Dawson - 7/3/2017 2:17:11 PM
The latest SkyDemon Android beta has an auto-zooming feature which we are prototyping. We haven't yet decided whether or not we will ship the feature, but it's there for feedback. Refer to the 3.8.2 thread for more information about how it works.
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By tnowak - 7/6/2017 7:34:41 AM
For my local airfield SD zooms when I land so I can see the airfield layout.
I didn't have to make any setting changes.
Tony
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By toby23 - 7/6/2017 8:12:04 AM
I wish mine did!
It starts off zoomed in but as soon as I change the zoom level during the flight, it won't auto zoom any more on approach or landing, I have to do it manually. I had a look for a setting that might change this but couldn't find anything.
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By toby23 - 7/6/2017 8:13:45 AM
I can't edit my posts here either.. I wanted to add that I use SD on my iPad, maybe the autozoom is only for Android?
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By Martin Bech - 7/6/2017 12:29:13 PM
+x+xWe've looked into automatic zooming depending on the phase of flight before, and asked for pilots' opinions. Unfortunately there didn't seem to be a consensus so we have so far not implemented automatic zooming. The exception is zooming in to ground features when you land and out of ground features (back to your nominated preferred zoom level) when you take off, which is an unambiguous feature to implement. Sounds funny that there is no Consensus.
In my eyes this is a more than useful feature. One of the most impressing features of another program is exactly an automatic zooming in as you come closer to your airport,, including a Change to the (georeferenced - surprise, surprise :-) ) Taxiway Chart.
Approaching and Landing at an unknown airfileld is for me the most challenging Phase of flight, especially when you descended early to pattern altitude.
Therefore I would love to several more Settings concerning Autozoom or swithcing to Chart view.
- distance or time to an Airport at which an Autozoom process starts
- distance or time to an airfield at which the Approach Chart is displayed in map.
Comment. There are some airfields which have more than ONE Chart. In These situations NO Chart is automatically displayed. I learnt that SD does not know which one to Display. This is okay. Egelsbach EDFE is a good example. It has 2 Charts available, therefore None is displayed automatically. EDFE is a busy place surrounded and covered by Airspace C and CTRs. So, approaching this airfileld is not the right Situation to be confused waiting for the Chart to appear and then having to select it manually while coming closer and closer.
A configurable time/distance at which the Chart appears or not would be helpful. At the Moment at least the Setting is too Close.
- max. zoom Level or zoom Level of the Approach Chart itself
At the Moment sitting on the ground I can see often only the Apron where my aircraft is located due to the Maximum available zoom level. But I would like to have an Impression where to go next. A more conservative zoom in would be useful.
Now, when approaching SD asks for runway, right hand/left hand, downwind or... - so maybe there could be a choice here about zoomning and taxi way or as earlier stated and option. I am sure Tim and his team is working on a taxi way solution.
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By Tim Dawson - 7/6/2017 1:46:53 PM
Auto Zoom has now been available in our beta programme for most of the week, and the feedback has been excellent. It will ship in the forthcoming 3.8.2 version of SkyDemon.
SkyDemon has zoomed you right into an airfield when you actually land for quite a while, and auto zooming does not change this. We only do it if we have vector airfield details or a georeferenced plate available for it, though, otherwise there's no point.
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By toby23 - 7/6/2017 1:52:24 PM
+xAuto Zoom has now been available in our beta programme for most of the week, and the feedback has been excellent. It will ship in the forthcoming 3.8.2 version of SkyDemon. SkyDemon has zoomed you right into an airfield when you actually land for quite a while, and auto zooming does not change this. We only do it if we have vector airfield details or a georeferenced plate available for it, though, otherwise there's no point. Who do I need to contact to correctly set up my ipad Sky Demon, it does everything except auto zoom on landing. Thanks |
By Tim Dawson - 7/6/2017 4:13:00 PM
Call or email our support.
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By Renzo - 4/23/2017 7:36:00 PM
Hi forum and of course the "Sky Demons" ;-),
at the moment I´d like to ask wether there is a possiblity to adjust the zoom-levels while taking off or landing.
I experienced that after take off and after starting the flightlog the zoom-level changes in a quite huge step to see the vincinity of the airfield. Is there a way to adjust the steps of zooming out of the chart for e.g. watch the traffic pattern a longer time more detailed?
The same I experienced while approaching. I would prefer or suggest a more slightly zoom-in during the approach to be sure that the traffic-pattern is close and clearly on the chart while approaching. During the last flights I always had to zoom in manually to hit the circuit properly.
I would request maybe 2 adjustable zoom-levels depending of time or distance from or to the airfield.
Is that a single user-opinion or do you agree?
Kind regards,
Renzo
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By Renzo - 4/28/2017 8:40:49 PM
+x+x+xMost people say, "I think this function should be implemented and made optional for those who don't want it." What this results into is a jungle of settings and options that confuses everybody and makes nobody happy. Good software has to steer a judicious course when it comes what to include and what not to include as a function. And Tim does an admirable job in that department!!! -- Chris. Wow, what a productive statement. Thanks for that great moment. And your opinion to what is really discussed here? Or better "???" Can you be troubled to scroll up a few posts to where I have posted my opinion? -- Chris. P.S.: Having a bad morning? Sorry Chris for being a bit unreflected. I a) forgot your post concerning the subject which was of course clear enough on the topic and b) of course I recognize Tims (and the whole SD-Teams) fabulous job they do! and c) of course he has to keep an eye on the whole product. So sorry again if I replied a bit "too straight." - but I tried to fight for this (in my opinion) very, really useful feature ;-) Kind regards, Renzo |
By toby23 - 7/5/2017 12:34:08 PM
I love how Sky Demon zooms into the airport when I start my flight but I cannot figure out how to get the application to auto zoom right into my destination airport when I land, which would make taxiing much easier.
Appreciate your help.
Toby
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